I was baptised 1964 at barely 12 years old during a circuit assembly at the fairgrounds. The baptism was held at a local kingdom Hall where they had pushed the chairs to the wall and put a doughboy pool in the middle of the room! About 7 were immersed and only about 30 showed up to observe. Afterward, no fanfare whatsoever. My parents treated it as though I was merely doing what I was supposed to do. (kinda like making my bed.) Edit to add: This was before the pre- baptism questions were asked. Does this mean my baptism was also not valid???
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by Aunt Fancy inwe have been going through our literature and throwing away a lot of it which feels great.
my hubby came cross the program from my baptism in 1986. the divine peace dc held in the astrodome in houston, tx.
he always wrote the attendance and the amount baptized so on that day there were 30,894 in attendance nd 531 baptized!
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Hi all
by Saltheart Foamfollower infirstly, love and greetings to all - i've been lurking here and elsewhere for a long time and have benefitted more than i can say.
i'm still in - i have a genuine fear that coming out would kill my mother - but i've recently taken the first step away.
i told a non-jw friend that i knew it was all a load of nonsense and i didn't believe any of it.
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Wlcome Saltheart! Hubby and I have faded but can't come out and do and say what we want because of his elderly mother. She and her JW family have always sidestepped many of the rules yet now that she is old, she acts like the church lady. Go figureAll the best to you.
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Mom & Dad (Uber Dubs) and convo about child abuse within the BORG
by El_Guapo inso i tt mom and dad via skype last weekend (they live on the other part of the county) and the topic of abuse came up.
of course they went ahead and blasted catholics for their coverups.
i mentioned gonzalo campos, now mom and dad know this guy he went to their hall for several years in san diego.
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I will never understand how a mother could call the elders about some remark her grown son made. I'm sorry for you both.
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10 Questions for Elders when they start annoying you
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3rdgen
1009, People are not born bitter. Not all people who have suffered injustice become bitter but it helps. Not all people who witness others, especially children, suffer needlessly become bitter, but it helps. Bitterness or the lack thereof has nothing to do with whether or not a particular religion is "The truth"
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Who benefits from the money they receive?
by unfamiliar ini keep seeing people on here (and other places) talk about the wbts making money .
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sorry if it should be obvious!.
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I know a couple of people who have non profit businesses. One had an animal rescue funded by donations and a thrift shop where people could drop off household items, clothes, musical instraments, you name it. She didn't pay a penny for the stuff but sold it at the going rate. She was taking in HUGE amounts of money. She was able to live better than she ever had in the past and a few cats were better off too! She moved away to start another "Non Profit" well paying business. The person/persons in control of the non profit decide where to rearrange funds and pad expences to look legit. Edit to add: Who needs a big bank account when everything that you want is paid for by the corporation.?
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10 Questions for Elders when they start annoying you
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Brainwashed people can explain away all logic. Only those who already have serious doubts will benefit from these questions. The lurkers HERE are the ones who will be helped the most. These kinds of questions are what caused hubby and I to completely break free of the spell. Keep the posts commin' Terry. The seeds of doubt will sprout where the conditions are right-often where you least suspect.
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Do You Regard President Obama In The Same Way As You Did BEFORE The Election?
by minimus inlately, even late night comedians are starting to make fun of the president.. i hear more negatives about the president than ever before---even from his own voters.. (i had high hopes for him when he beat mccain but since then, i believe the president has been a huge disappointment)..
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If I could have voted for him I would have. (wasn't registered yet.) The LAST thing I wanted to do was vote for a fundy Mormon!!! However, I wouldn't now. The banking crisis has been the biggest blunder inMO. Billions of bailout money for THEM yet, not one penny to help the people caught in the housing bust and forced into forclosure. If he would have given the money to the homeowners with bad loans DIRECTLY, they never would have lost their homes and property values never would have tanked. When property values sank new home building came to a screeching halt which by domino effect left millions of tradesman out of work etc. Literally overnight the banks withdrew peoples home and business lines of credit. They were left with no way to finish remodeling and building projects. With ruined credit there was no way to purchase goods and services that provide jobs. No jobs? Forced for the first time into public assistance. And round and round it goes till there is a real depression .(which is still present in my community. Obama was either complicit or outsmarted by the banks. Either way it's been a disaster.
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Let's lampoon the buzzwords!!
by ILoveTTATT ini am keeping this short because i have little time but... here are my favorite lampoons of the buzzwords:.
watchtower - washtowel.
conventions - con-ventions... i would invent con-men-showns.
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Pioneers= Pios Sneers
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Pets are false gods
by Rattigan350 ini"m listening to the 2013 dc green bay saturday talk on false gods.. the speaker says no one would knowingly worship false deities.
but could we inadvertantly give jehovah less than exclusive devotion he deserves.. he said:you have not allowed this deception power of sin to sensual desires, material comforts, pets, technology, entertainment or food to become objects of devotion to you.. anything that interferes with our spiriutal routine has the power of eroding or weaking our relationship with jehovah.. .
my dogs can erode my relationship with jehovah.
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The idea that a pet can become a god to a "true Christian" is nothing new. Articles have been cited here that are at least 40 years old but the WBT$ taught that ANYTHING and ANYONE who is loved as much as Jehovah has become your GOD long before that. My parents were taught by the Rutherford Bible and Tract Society. Thay had contempt for pets and the people who loved them, saying those ones were "weak in the faith". When I demonstrated that I parented my children with love instead of the way I was raised, my mother and aunt said I had made GODS out of my children!!! Good JWs are robots without natural affection. Mission accomplished.
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How many JWs are genuinely in "good standing"?
by slimboyfat inan interesting question arose from my earlier thread:.
we all know that many jws do stuff that would get them disfellowshipped, but never get caught.
but how many jws do you think there really are who have never kept any disfellowshipping "offense" secret?
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Another aspect of this question would be how long ago the infraction was committed. Elders who manage to keep their "sin" secret for at least 2 years are home free and can remain in their position. So they are genuinely in good standing according to the convoluted Dub rules. If the 2 year rule applies to the RandF then many could say they genuinely are in good standing as well. If the question becomes How many Jw's have done somthing that POSSIBLY could result in DFing? then IMHO close to 100%