AGuest, please don't answer that question. I've laughed enough today. ahahaha.
Young Earth Creationism, what a laugh. ahahaha.
TheUbermensch
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41,000 year old human jaw bone found
by Mickey mouse inbut but but....humans have only been around for 6000 years.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15540464.
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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TheUbermensch
I think I'm wise? Or maybe you mean someone else? I have not read one post where someone has said anything about wisdom. What you talking about A K - Jeff? Are you knowing something that can't be known?
So what do you think when you see my name on the list. I can take it. Do you know what I mean? No, and your not worried? You are worried? I think you might not admit it if it were true. But like everything else about me, I might be wrong about that too.
What does this mean?
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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TheUbermensch
No one does Jeff, no one. ahahaha.
Since obviously the goodness of God is shed upon people who have good lives in American cities and suburbias, I would like to ask for the excuse given for the millions of animals killed in the past. The innocent, potential unconditional lovers that animals are. The millions of animals killed before testing on them was considered inhumane. What does God do for them?
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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TheUbermensch
Right. So you worship a god who allows millions of death every year, millions of innocent, pointless death every year throughout the entire history of the world and human beings. He allows completely innocent animals to be abused and killed by horrible owners. (Animals that aren't going to any afterlife). Just so that when his son comes and judges us, he can only pick the smallest of the smallest percentage of the trillions and quadrillions of human beings who have died in the history of the world, and most of those innocent people won't even make it into heaven because they don't believe in Judeo-Christian doctrine. It's DEFINITELY logical to love that sort of god.
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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TheUbermensch
Well then this argument is totally pointless.
And I'm sorry, I haven't seen you agree with anyone besides your fellow "Peace to you"ers. Can you show me where you have agreed with one non believer on this thread?
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Absolute knowledge vs. Relativism
by Vidqun inbelieving in a god is a leap of faith.
being an atheist is also a leap of faith, and that goes for the evolutionists too.
i believe in absolute truth as found in the bible.
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Absolute knowledge vs. Relativism
by Vidqun inbelieving in a god is a leap of faith.
being an atheist is also a leap of faith, and that goes for the evolutionists too.
i believe in absolute truth as found in the bible.
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TheUbermensch
Conversely, [true] knowledge as absolute truth from God is indeed available in this day and age. I find these truths in the Bible. The Bible as a book has greatly influenced Western Civilization (see quote below). If you study the origins of Roman Law, where our modern system of Law comes from, the Bible has made its mark there. Then there is lots of principles in the Bible worth emulating, e.g., Love your neighbour as yourself, etc. I would concede that the Bible text has suffered under a multitude of editors, but enough has remained for us to use.
Yikes. What absolute truth is available? Where do you find these truths in the Bible? The Bible HAS greatly influenced Western Civilization, it's given us the Holy Wars, Crusades, genocides, killing of first born infants, deportation of all that don't believe in the Bible (practiced in Spain under Queen Isabella), the Spanish Inquisition, and the Salem Witch Trials, and many others. Roman Law has hardly, if at all influenced our modern system of Law. John Locke, Jean Jacques Rousseau, and the GREEKS, greatly influenced the Governments of today, as well as Karl Marx (although his ideas were greatly misinterpreted) in the socialist countries. Roman Law was practiced on the Carthaginians though. This is a great example of Roman Law. When they were finished destroying Carthage, they gathered all females (infants, teens, and adults alike), made sure they raped them, then burned the entire city down, killing more than 90% of the citizens, and after that they salted the Earth, a practice by the Romans where they literally poured salt covering every square foot of land in and around the city so that no city could ever prosper on that ground again. That is Roman Law, as well as crucifixions for minor shoplifting and for claiming you are the son of God. Is that the Roman Law you were talking about? Do I go around worshipping Aesop's Fables? Because those stories have much better morals than the actual Bible. For instance Leviticus 20:13, if a man lays with another man as he would with a woman they both should be put to death. Great morals.
Everything is nonsense
--Ludwig Wittgenstein
It's that simple. Absolute truth is never possible. For absolute truth to be possible, EVERYONE in the world must accept it. It can't be YOUR absolute truth, it must be everyone's. Some might say gravity is an absolute truth. Many people in the world don't even know gravity exists, and gravity is invisible, so the truth of gravity can never be known.
You might want to argue about absolute truth and relativism, and that's a perfectly normal philosophical subject to discuss, but don't bring God into it. God will never be known as absolute truth, because truth has yet to be offered concerning God.
Relativism in the dictionary is much different than relativism discussed by the likes of Kant, Hume, Hobbes, and Wittgenstein.
Real relativism is the understanding that morality, ethics, and other subjective ideals are culture, and geographically based, thus our judging of something like female circumcision, an act that most find strange and wrong, is invalid and incorrect, because if we had grown up in the areas where they practice it, we would most likely support it as well.
This you cannot dispute, relativism is the only absolute truth, that everything is relevant.
However this can be applied to God, and belief in God. For instance, the only reason you believe in the Bible is because you were born in America, or Western/parts of Eastern Europe, (and you were indoctrinated as a child). However if you were born in the Middle East, you would be kneeling towards Mecca in about 2 hours.
Conversely, [true] knowledge as absolute truth from God is indeed available in this day and age. I find these truths in the Bible. The Bible as a book has greatly influenced Western Civilization (see quote below). If you study the origins of Roman Law, where our modern system of Law comes from, the Bible has made its mark there. Then there is lots of principles in the Bible worth emulating, e.g., Love your neighbour as yourself, etc. I would concede that the Bible text has suffered under a multitude of editors, but enough has remained for us to use.
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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TheUbermensch
Okay, since we obviously aren't going anywhere with this, I have one question.
What, if anything, would allow you to question your faith, or perhaps accept ideas proposed by a non believer?
This is aimed towards tec, AGuest, N.Drew, and any other believer.
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The easy way out
by logical1 inbackground on me: mid 20's, raised as jw, never baptised.. .
a month or so ago, some jw's were calling on my street, i missed them at my door, but they had parked in front of my house while they hit up the rest of my block.
while they were at my neighbors door, i thought to myself "what is the easiest non-threatening simple message i could write on a piece of paper that would essentially give them "apostate" information, without them realizing what it was and shutting down?".
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TheUbermensch
Wow. I definitely would have said something. You must have some amazing self control.
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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TheUbermensch
Asking a question about delusion is perfectly normal, is it not to you? Do we not inquire the criminally insane about their crimes? It's a little thing called psychology....