Is the FACT that no God/god ever communicates with humans evidence that no God/god exists?

by Disillusioned JW in

is the fact that no god/god ever communicates with us evidence that no god/god exists?

i think it is very strong evidence that no personal god/god exits, especially a benevolent god who wants humans to know him him/her/it, to obey him/her/it, and/or to love him/her/it.

since no god/god communicates to us (including those who sincerely want communication with the/a god/god), wouldn't it be sensible for those who pray to what they believe is the/a god/god to cease all efforts to communicate to a god/god?

PaddyTheBaddy

6. If no perfectly loving God exists, then God does not exist.

This premise just indicates that Schellenberg's personal idea or definition of what a perfectly loving God must be, doesn't exist. It doesn't logically follow that God does not exist, as there are other definitions or ideas of what a loving God is.

Some philosophers conclude that God may exist but can't be all loving, all powerful and all knowing. He can only ever be two of the three. So you could have a God who is all powerful and all knowing but doesn't care to know you. Others claim he must be unlimited in order for the concept to have any real explanatory power.

Any attempt at providing evidence for the existence of God, depends upon getting the right definition of who or what God is, correct first.

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If God exists, what would be a good reason why he never communicates or helps his creation by intervention?

by pistolpete in

you have probably heard all kinds of excuses why god doesn’t communicates with his creation or why he doesn’t intervene.. some examples.. no one can see god because he is a spirit.. but we can hear god---yet he chooses not to talk to humanity.. god only communicates with certain people.

moses, samuel, abraham, etc.

but there are many people today who also claim that god spoke to them yet we ignore them but believe god spoke to people who lived thousands of years ago and we can’t really verify if that was so.

PaddyTheBaddy

Just because people create these emotions in a state of consciousness, still doesn't prove they are having a real spiritual experience or actually connecting to these gods.

It doesn't disprove it either. You just don't believe them, which is fine. Thomas communicated directly with someone who claimed a divine connection and also didn't believe it, until he received more evidence.
The christian claim is that God communicated to mankind through his word "Jesus". The validity of this claim was to be tested either through belief or disbelief in the resurrection. Christianity continues to the present day because people continue to believe in the resurrection of Jesus.Paul claimed that if Christ had not been raised then christianity is in vain and so concluded,"Let us eat and let us drink, for tomorrow we die."

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If God exists, what would be a good reason why he never communicates or helps his creation by intervention?

by pistolpete in

you have probably heard all kinds of excuses why god doesn’t communicates with his creation or why he doesn’t intervene.. some examples.. no one can see god because he is a spirit.. but we can hear god---yet he chooses not to talk to humanity.. god only communicates with certain people.

moses, samuel, abraham, etc.

but there are many people today who also claim that god spoke to them yet we ignore them but believe god spoke to people who lived thousands of years ago and we can’t really verify if that was so.

PaddyTheBaddy

Since gods were inherently imagined by man, the answer to why those gods don't answer or intervene in are lives is because the gods are really us.

Harvey,
You are an Enlightened person. Well said!

Truth be said, all Harvey has stated is that in his opinion we have become the very figment of our imagination. It is another way of claiming we are made in the image of the gods we imagined existed. If this is true then every time we intervene to help someone out it is similar to God intervening through us.

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Is the FACT that no God/god ever communicates with humans evidence that no God/god exists?

by Disillusioned JW in

is the fact that no god/god ever communicates with us evidence that no god/god exists?

i think it is very strong evidence that no personal god/god exits, especially a benevolent god who wants humans to know him him/her/it, to obey him/her/it, and/or to love him/her/it.

since no god/god communicates to us (including those who sincerely want communication with the/a god/god), wouldn't it be sensible for those who pray to what they believe is the/a god/god to cease all efforts to communicate to a god/god?

PaddyTheBaddy

Is the FACT that no God/god ever communicates with us evidence that no God/god exists?

No, if true? it still has nothing to do with evidence for the existence of God. As he could exist but choose not to communicate. It is more related to evidence for your dissatisfaction in how he may or may not communicate with you personally.

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If God exists, what would be a good reason why he never communicates or helps his creation by intervention?

by pistolpete in

you have probably heard all kinds of excuses why god doesn’t communicates with his creation or why he doesn’t intervene.. some examples.. no one can see god because he is a spirit.. but we can hear god---yet he chooses not to talk to humanity.. god only communicates with certain people.

moses, samuel, abraham, etc.

but there are many people today who also claim that god spoke to them yet we ignore them but believe god spoke to people who lived thousands of years ago and we can’t really verify if that was so.

PaddyTheBaddy

I think the evolutionary growing intelligence of mankind inherently started for man to think about why and how which he saw and experienced came about, the answer most ancients came up with is that supernatural beings in the massive heavens made and was the cause of what they saw.
Many people today still think this to be so.

In a materialists reality the ancient mind was not the originator of the response "supernatural beings did it”. Whatever it is that produced our universe also produced the answer for the ancient mind to think. Without there being a non material aspect to reality, it is very difficult to escape this conclusion. It is part and parcel of the intellectual price tag a materialist is required to pay in order to adhere to their belief. Most are willing to pay this price as it is the price they believe is worth the truth they acquire in return. This truth includes, everything is either determined or probabilistic, therefore free will doesn’t exist and consciousness is just an illusion, an elaborate trick played on us by our brains.

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If God exists, what would be a good reason why he never communicates or helps his creation by intervention?

by pistolpete in

you have probably heard all kinds of excuses why god doesn’t communicates with his creation or why he doesn’t intervene.. some examples.. no one can see god because he is a spirit.. but we can hear god---yet he chooses not to talk to humanity.. god only communicates with certain people.

moses, samuel, abraham, etc.

but there are many people today who also claim that god spoke to them yet we ignore them but believe god spoke to people who lived thousands of years ago and we can’t really verify if that was so.

PaddyTheBaddy

The reason gods existed in human cognitive awareness throughout history is because they were something needed and wanted to exist by humanity which is undeniably related to human ignorance itself.

If they were needed and wanted to exist by humanity, which materialism states is the product of deterministic laws, then what you are really saying, is that this need and want was front loaded from the very beginning into the physical attributes of the universe itself.

You can want what it is that you want, but if you hold to materialism then you can't choose the wants you possess. For that you would need among other things "free will" which materialism can't provide you with.

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If God exists, what would be a good reason why he never communicates or helps his creation by intervention?

by pistolpete in

you have probably heard all kinds of excuses why god doesn’t communicates with his creation or why he doesn’t intervene.. some examples.. no one can see god because he is a spirit.. but we can hear god---yet he chooses not to talk to humanity.. god only communicates with certain people.

moses, samuel, abraham, etc.

but there are many people today who also claim that god spoke to them yet we ignore them but believe god spoke to people who lived thousands of years ago and we can’t really verify if that was so.

PaddyTheBaddy

One way God may communicate with humankind is through both the physical and moral laws. Moral laws may be likened to having received a letter from your parents giving you information, not about how you must behave, as in the case with the physical laws, but more how you ought to behave. I think the “ ought" in this case comes with a condition. That being you value a world where people live together in peace and harmony.

Both the physical and moral laws reflect something about what or who it is that produced the universe we find ourselves in.

From Richard Dawkin’s observation of the world he finds himself in he concludes the following

"The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”

So according to this view, something which is pitiless and indifferent produced our universe and everything we observe in the world around us, including humans who can display mercy and compassion.

https://youtu.be/oUFJJNQGwhk

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Pfizer becomes first Covid vaccine to gain full FDA approval

by PaddyTheBaddy in

great news.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58309254.

pfizer's two-dose covid-19 vaccine has received full approval from the us food and drug administration (fda) - the first jab to be licensed in the nation.. .

the vaccine had initially been given emergency use authorisation.

PaddyTheBaddy

Great news.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58309254

Pfizer's two-dose Covid-19 vaccine has received full approval from the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) - the first jab to be licensed in the nation.

The vaccine had initially been given emergency use authorisation. Its two jabs, three weeks apart, are now fully approved for those aged 16 and older.

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Before you judge anti-vaxxers

by David.L.Henson in

jw
friends

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PaddyTheBaddy

Vidqun

Look at the death numbers for both countries especially in comparison to pre-vaccine periods. The numbers show the effectiveness where it counts the most. Vaccines have been saving lives. If a third jab is warranted in particular for the elderly, why discourage it?

https://www.google.com/search?client=avast-a-2&q=Covid+Iceland&oq=Covid+Iceland&aqs=avast..69i57j0l6j69i60.6145j0j7&ie=UTF-8

https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+israel+deaths&sxsrf=ALeKk025J4_vXbXly_YphwpdRnLGOVnCOQ%3A1629057579312&ei=K3IZYcSuEsGaa7GjtrgK&oq=covid+israel+deaths&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBQgAEIAEMgkIABAWEB4QiwMyCQgAEBYQHhCLAzoHCCMQsAMQJzoHCAAQRxCwAzoHCAAQsAMQQzoFCAAQkQI6BQgAEMsBOggIABCABBDJAzoFCAAQxAI6CwgAEIAEEMkDEIsDOgYIABAWEB5KBAhBGABQnYUBWJ6SAWDgnQFoAXACeACAAaQBiAGEBpIBAzYuMpgBAKABAcgBCrgBA8ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiE8NSy6LPyAhVBzRoKHbGRDacQ4dUDCA4&uact=5

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Jesus, without sin and a perfect human being ?

by smiddy3 in

how could he be, regardless of how god impregnated mary, as she was a sinful human just like the rest of us according to the bible.. mary was subjected to the adamic sin like all other humans, so jesus had to at least be part sinner himself.. to believe otherwise is just deluding oneself imho .. the only way jesus could have been really without sin is if god created him the same way he created adam.. what do you think ?

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PaddyTheBaddy

If you talk about Zombie movies and ask, "Why would dead people be hungry? Why don't Zombies poop? Why wouldn't all of them rot and fall to pieces?" etc. etc. You would be demanding Real World logic to apply to a very unreal premise.
We can't mix the real with the unreal and make it logical.

Hi Terry,

There is more to zombies than meets the eye. Or is there?

https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/how-philosophers-use-zombies-to-understand-consciousness

Why do philosophers need zombies?

The concept is kind of a mind trick. Imagine a being that looks and even talks like a human. It goes through all the normal motions of a human and yet has no consciousness. And you would have no idea that it is not like you.

According to philosophers like David Chalmers, p-zombies are an argument against physicalism - the school of thought that everything that makes us human is ultimately derived from our physical characteristics.

Physicalism is based on the success of science in exploring the physical world. According to physicalists, we are essentially intricate arrangements of atoms. Behaviorists, a subset of physicalists, maintain that even all mental processes - thoughts, desires, etc - are just responses to the behaviors of others.

If a p-zombie that is exactly like us, except for the sense of self and consciousness, is logically conceivable, then this possibility could support dualism, an alternative view that sees the world consisting of not just the physical but also the mental.

PaddyTheBaddy

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"The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”