Posts by OBVES

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Annointed not inspired - do they say that in there own publications?

by cognac in

but they say that they have god's holy spirit... whats the difference?

OBVES

Like I said they are not inspired by God . No one is today on the face of the earth .They admitted in 1930 AD or so there are no more miracles which was their best step in correction and it was contrary to what Taze Russell believed ! They corrected their founder !

That is why today using that one view we can disqualify most christian religion as being true and keep Jehovah's Witnesses in place !

But Taze Russell believed so and was a true servant !? How come ? Because there was no one at that time legitimate who could challenge Taze Russell on that .It was not the right time to do that .

According to the Bible and the plan as I have presented the Watchtower can correct views within itself .No outsider can do that .

That is why I remain in my independent views using Luke 9.49-50 and can only hope God Yahweh will guide them to me and see their mistakes but the final decision lies with the Watchtower .And they may not change up to very end and that will keep Luke 9.49-50 actual all the time until the end comes.

The seperation of that one servant from the small group of servants all belonging to 144000 class will evidently remain to the end of the world - Luke 9.49-50.

In view of that I don't see a place for those who left the Jehovah Witness organization and are on their own .Unless they feed on the teachings that one independent servant and sympthize with him without being hostile to the Jehovah Witness organization.

Read my earlier posts I have explained God's plan using the end-time chronology -which religion God Yahweh accepts.

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Annointed not inspired - do they say that in there own publications?

by cognac in

but they say that they have god's holy spirit... whats the difference?

OBVES

To begin with know that most people don't understand what is the Holy Spirit ! The understanding is however so close to them that they in total blindness don't see that.

We use the words "in the spirit of love we are doing this " .The spirit here implies the way thing is being done .

So ,if I am a servant of God Yahweh and claim to have His Spirit it means my way of life is in the mode of living a holy life the way God Yahweh wants me to.

The true believers that fit God's end-time plan have the invisible mark on them to live that holy life with all the implications resulting from what established in His agreements with his people as given in the Bible.

The Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit and in the times when God was giving his direct messages to his servants was on a higher level of acting as the words of the Bible had to be faultless and were to serve as a spiritual food for nations.

So ,we can say the Holy Writings were unmistakeable while we who read and study the Bible may not understand what we read and make mistakes.

My whole life testifies to this fact as I had moved from Catholic religion to a new religion independent of any religion we have today.

The Watchtower can make errors and you can see that they speak about a new light . This confirms the fact they are learning more truths of the Bible with passing time.

When I compare my understanding of the Bible looking back I can see how my views improved and how much new understanding was added.

We are living in different times than when Christ and his first disciples lived . They worked miracles no christian can do today whatever faith he or she has . The miracles God Yahweh used in times when He was giving us the Bible ,that is ,the Holy Messages that later were to be included in the Bible .

With the views like I have today some teachings of Taze Russell can be refuted. He belived in miracles and that is an apostasy today !

But at that time at that level in God's plan of the end times he was the best servant of Yahweh on the face of the earth. It was as if Christ revealed himself in his personality which can be called Christ's spiritual coming in 1914 AD ! The Watchtower seeming;y did not understand what was the spiritual coming of Christ in 1914 AD . Ask them now they don't know yet I may assume that the year 1879 AD was the year that we can begin the end-times and is still actual ! They almost put aside the date 1914 AD but I am keeping the 1879 AD alive.

If you know my posts I begin with the year 1878 AD which is like the year of announcement of the end-times.

So I have a timeline : 1878 AD - 1879 AD -1950 AD - 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 2011 AD - 2012 AD.

To make the matter simple to you who has the best possible understanding of the Bible we should expect that person to have the largest measure of the Holy Spirit as planned for the end-times .And it is an ongoing process .We don't understand everything at once .The Bible remains the same all the time while our understandings progresses .It is called a progresive understanding.

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Confronting my JW teachings and beliefs. Just read Crisis of Conscience.

by digderidoo in

jw
friends

i have just finished reading crisis of conscience by raymond franz.

i only stumbled across this book on wednesday in the town library while waiting for a public computer.

the last couple of days in the uk has seen miserable weather which has effected my work so i have had plenty of spare time to read this book.

OBVES

I have the book you recommend at home for a long time ! I don't even remember how much I read . But what I read was disapointing.

The author of the book is in a religion that is contrary to the Bible.

You should check his beliefs against what the Bible says. We are learning the truths from the Bible and again I must admit we look for the best interpretation of the Bible among those who raise rather big claims to be of the true religion .

What crisis of consciousness if one left religion that fits God's plan as I have proven in my posts and now is in a religion that is unsecure.

I am not the only one who predicts the end of the world very soon . Check with Harold Camping who wrote two books : " Wheat and Tares " and " Time Has an End " .

Or another preacher Ronald Weinland - known in more than 100 countries already .He wrote the book : " 2008.God's Final Witness ".

And see how we all see the world religions today .

I will try to find the book you speak about and read more but don't expect the results you would like to see .

What the author wrote can be outdated a great deal as we now live in the times when the best understanding of the Bible comes out into view.

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Wow, it was 586 BCE!

by Bryan in

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/satellite?cid=1200475897717&pagename=jpost%2fjparticle%2fshowfull.

a stone seal bearing the name of one of the families who acted as servants in the first temple and then returned to jerusalem after being exiled to babylonia has been uncovered in an archeological excavation in jerusalem's city of david, a prominent israeli archeologist said wednesday.

the 2,500-year-old black stone seal, which has the name "temech" engraved on it, was found earlier this week amid stratified debris in the excavation under way just outside the old city walls near the dung gate, said archeologist dr. eilat mazar, who is leading the dig.

OBVES

Note I have written more than 15 billion years and it is the age of the present universe we live in.

We have 6 days for creation. Near the end of the 6th day which lasted more than 2 billion years God Yahweh created man In this setting scientists can put the age of man between some 2 billion yeara and some 6 000 years.

The last date is 4027 BC and now we have 2008 AD- so nobody can claim man existed less than 6034 years.

So the age of 50 000 or 13 000 are within the limitations.

If you prove we exists as humans 566 000 000 years it will be acceptable.

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Questioning the 144K

by OMG! Now What? in

i've been considering the teachings of the 144k by the borg and am wondering why they allow women to partake especially considering revelation 14:4 which pretty much says the 144k are men who are virgins.

have any of you given this any thought?.

OBVES

No man is wiser than God Yahweh ! If He said " it is not good for man to be alone" then we must agree with that and I agree with that completely knowing from my experience how good sex is .

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Wow, it was 586 BCE!

by Bryan in

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/satellite?cid=1200475897717&pagename=jpost%2fjparticle%2fshowfull.

a stone seal bearing the name of one of the families who acted as servants in the first temple and then returned to jerusalem after being exiled to babylonia has been uncovered in an archeological excavation in jerusalem's city of david, a prominent israeli archeologist said wednesday.

the 2,500-year-old black stone seal, which has the name "temech" engraved on it, was found earlier this week amid stratified debris in the excavation under way just outside the old city walls near the dung gate, said archeologist dr. eilat mazar, who is leading the dig.

OBVES

The calculations I was presenting point to the year 587 BC and 70 AD.

Even Harold Camping who came up with his peculiar methods of counting the chronology would agree with that .

Read his booklet : Adam When ?
Note the age of the world by his calculations based on the Bible is about 13000 years.

Adam was already in the year 11013 BC.He puts the Flood of Noah at 4990 BC.

In my calculations the dates are: 4027 BC and 2372 BC respectively and yet we agree on 587 BC and 70 AD.

The age of the universe in my calculations based on the Bible is more than 15 billion years - exactly like the scientists could claim .

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Questioning the 144K

by OMG! Now What? in

i've been considering the teachings of the 144k by the borg and am wondering why they allow women to partake especially considering revelation 14:4 which pretty much says the 144k are men who are virgins.

have any of you given this any thought?.

OBVES

Please ! After God , sex is the next important thing for a man who wants to live for ever happily .

And God said to the man who had all material things aroud him :

"it is not good for a man to be alone "

You may not want to have a wife because you see problems .

I don't want to have a wife now because I want to have a wife in Paradise where conditions will be the best . I see problems now but not in the future Paradise .

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2008;END OF WORLD?

by badboy in

jw
friends

some say this year will be end of world.. what do you think?.

OBVES

If you read my posts I came up with the date 2011 AD and I can link it with the year 2012 AD.

It's is very interesting that you heard about the spring 2009 AD as from that time there is a period of 3.5 years that is a known period from the Bible.Then we have spring 2009 AD + 3.5 years = fall 2012 AD. On this one merit I would put some reliance on the spring 2009 AD.

If I go by the timeline as I have presented many times on the internet:

I came up with the year 2009 AD ( fall ) .

106 AD - 70 AD - 36 AD - 33 AD - 29 AD - 11 AD

1914 AD - 1950 AD - 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD - 2009 AD

This would be a better explanation for setting up the date 2009 AD.

There is a preacher Ron Weinland who wrote the book " 2008 .God's Final Witness " in which he is predicting the year 2008 AD as pivotal and the great tribulation is to begin this fall 2008 AD.He puts his credibility on line claiming he is the last prophet of God of Abraham and God will give him greater power than He gave to Moses as he claims he is one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11.1-10.The demise of the USA is for this fall .If the USA doesn't collapse this year in the fall she will collapse finally half year later.

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Questioning the 144K

by OMG! Now What? in

i've been considering the teachings of the 144k by the borg and am wondering why they allow women to partake especially considering revelation 14:4 which pretty much says the 144k are men who are virgins.

have any of you given this any thought?.

OBVES

Psalm 128 testifies to the fact that any servant of God Yahweh will be blessed with a wife each and with children .

That sexless idea is totally wrong ! Again the Watchtower is in error .

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Questioning the 144K

by OMG! Now What? in

i've been considering the teachings of the 144k by the borg and am wondering why they allow women to partake especially considering revelation 14:4 which pretty much says the 144k are men who are virgins.

have any of you given this any thought?.

OBVES

I wrote post on this subject you can check it by checking my post history.

On this doctrine Jehovah's Witnesses are in some error ! All 144000 are menservants ( men) and to understand that you have to know how God Yahweh chooses His servants.

At issue is predestination .

144000 can be derived from: 400 years in slavery in Egypt x 360 days in each year .

400 x 360 = 144 000

Read carefully Matthew 25.31- 46.

Matthew 25.40 : Christ and " the least brothers of mine " are in the middle ! Not on the right side.

They are brothers, not sisters