Posts by OBVES

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Really, Are Jehovah's Witnesses THAT Different From The Other Religions?

by minimus in

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friends

the more i read on this site, the more i see that all religions think their version of what is right and wrong is what matters.

some punish you now for disobedience to the church's rules and others supposedly give you your reward in the hereafter.. some live their lives with more strictness.

others are more liberal.. look at the jewish faith.

OBVES

It is a very interesting thing to know today - in the world of so much confusion about which religion out of thousands is right- that using the numbers found in the Bible we can establish the time line showing us which religion God Yahweh approves of.

We must recreate the times when Christ and his first disciples lived and taught the true christian religion. Once we find the corresponding dates we can rest assured that we have the same true christianity in existence as it was back in the ancient times.

The clue is in the date 1984 AD which is the most important date since 150 AD in mankind's history as this date serves very well if we want to decode the Bible and the mankind's chronology.

Using the year 1984 AD we can recreate the times Christ and his first apostles lived and taught.

7 BC is now 1879 AD , 2 BC = 1884 AD 29 AD = 1914 AD

But when we consider one independent servant that is allowed by Luke 9.49-50 to exist and preach his own views. We have : 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD as 1991 AD - 1988 AD - 1984 AD ( a reversed version ! ) . The year 70 AD has its corresponding date : 1950 AD.

The year 106 AD is like 1914 AD in this second alignment.

Revelation 2.10 is about 10 days which are 10 years and all things as Revelation 1.1-3 were going to take place soon.

The Revelation was given in 96 AD so we add 10 years which gives us the year 106 AD.

29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 70 AD - 106 AD - the era of the True Christianity must be repeated in the end-time era !
1914 AD - 1950 AD - 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD for 106 AD - 70 AD - 36 AD - 33 AD - 29 AD exactly in a pefect way !

The core of the end-time era is 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD which is a reversal of the 29 AD - 36 AD - 106 AD.

Greatest true worshippers of God Yahweh : Christ and his 144000 servants are from these periods .All others should listen to these in order to come to the salvation.

YAHWEH as GOD --- JESUS CHRIST as God , 144000 menservants as gods - Obadiah 1.21

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6 THOUSAND YEARS OF HUMAN HISTORY ENDED in the year...????

by Terry in

1873 [six thousand years of man's existence ends in a.d. 1873] {wr apr 1880 88}.

1873 "here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of adam to a.d. 1873 was six thousand years.

and though the bible contains no direct statement that the seventh thousand will be the epoch of christ's reign, the great sabbath day of restitution to the world, yet the venerable tradition is not without reasonable foundation.. if, then, the seventh thousand-year period of earth's history be an epoch specially noted as the period of christ's reign, we shall, by showing that it began in a.d. 1873, be proving that we are already in it.

OBVES

Cardinal mistakes many people are making today :

They don't look to the present and future but look back to the times when the just being revived christianity was on the scene of the end-time timetable.

The beginning are always modest when a new birth is taking place . That was like a childish stage of the revived christian faith in the period 1879 AD - 1914 AD. And many corrections could be introduced .

Once the Bible was completed in the ancient times God Yahweh ceased giving His inspired messages and the miracles ended .

No one today can claim God is giving him messages and that person in such case would have to prove that with miracles which don't really happen any more !

We are to rely on the Bible which stays the same all the time as it is unchangeable while our views undergo improvements with passing time. The best understanding of the Bible is not to be searched in the time like 1914 AD,1975 AD but now when we see the end-time era is winding down to a very few years ! And it can be proven that Daniel 12.4 is being fulfilled right before our eyes and most religons are proven false so easily !

While reading Watchtower articles I myself could write another article on the same page on the margin and yet I do recognize these same people as the best people that guide the best christian organization on the face of the earth.Will you find me another organization that beats up Jehovah's Witnesses ? And that fits the end-time pattern of God's salvation plan ?

By the latest understanding of the Bible the Watchtower was wrong or not complete as to the passing of 6000 years .Many mistakes the Watchtower had made but they pale when compared to the mistakes the other religious organization had made !

It depends which date you use to begin counting 6000 years. The best is the latest version which ascribes 1010 years to each day of a symbolic week.

1037 BC - 1034 AD - 1027 BC - 607 BC - 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD - 1994 AD = 3030 years which implies each day can have 1010 years.

4027 BC + 6000 years + 60 years = 2034 AD 6 days counted here as 6060 years

4010 BC ( Adam sinned ) - 3010 BC -2010 BC - 1010 BC - 10 BC - 991 AD - 1991 AD = 6000 years

10 BC + 2000 years as 2 days = 1991 AD + remaining 20 years = 2011 AD 2 days = 2020 years

It can be also this way: 11 AD when Jesus began teaching in the Temple as 12-year old boy - Luke 2.42 .

11 AD + 2000 years = 2011 AD

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Really, Are Jehovah's Witnesses THAT Different From The Other Religions?

by minimus in

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friends

the more i read on this site, the more i see that all religions think their version of what is right and wrong is what matters.

some punish you now for disobedience to the church's rules and others supposedly give you your reward in the hereafter.. some live their lives with more strictness.

others are more liberal.. look at the jewish faith.

OBVES

You read my posts before ? If you understood them I am putting Jehovah's Witnesses in the light of my understanding the Bible as the only- acceptable- to- God christian organization as it ideally fits into the end-time pattern established by God Yahweh in the Bible.

Using the name "Watchtower " unkowningly they confirmed they are a legitimate heir to the defunct organization the International Bible Students that began the revival of the true christianity that ended completely in 150 AD.

The end was in 106 AD but the remainig periods of 13 and 31 years just were the leftovers of what had become of the true vibrant christiann faith that began with Jesus Christ and his 12 apostles.

The time pattern that was for Christ and his first disciples must have been repeated in the later times when the true christian was to come alive again.

7 BC - 2 BC - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 70 AD - 106 AD must be superimposed on the end-time era to recreate the ancient times when true worship of God Yahweh and Jesus Christ was in existence.

By very complex calculating moves I was able to pinpoint the dates which reflect those ancient dates !

7 BC became 1879 AD when the Zion's Watchtower was published to the world . 2 BC became 1884 AD when the International Bible Students were legalized as the organization - recognized by the world !

29 AD became 1914 AD 33 AD ( spring ) became 1918 AD 36 AD as 1921 AD.

The International Bible Students had their trubulation period : 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD.

The Jehovahs Witness organization had : 1935 AD - 1939 AD - 1942 AD

And if you know my posts God Yahweh ascribes to me a period of 7 years as 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD.

The Jews had their 7-year period as well: 1938 AD - 1942 AD - 1945 AD.It began with the Crystal Night in Nazi Germany.

The timeline for Jehovah's Witnesses is a continuation of the timeline for the International Bible Students:

1955 AD - 1991 AD. In this setting the date 1991 AD is like 106 AD. 1955 AD = 70 AD.

The timeline for Obves is : 1950 AD - 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD which is for : 70 AD - 36 AD - 33 AD - 29 AD.

All timelines can be combined and we can come up with the principal timeline :

1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD which is for 106 AD - 36 AD - 29 AD

Jehovah's Witnesses must be a distinctive organization and note we both are in the end-time lineup of dates that are indicative who has the religion God Yahweh approves of as true to the Bible. The first christians were like a cult or sect for the people who didn't agree wuth them- Acts 28.22. We cannot look for a true worship among great main-stream christian or any other religions ! The mian stream religions are difficult to lead and they succumb to the wordly pressures and go with them ! They are religions of convenience ,not the authentic true religions God Yahweh likes . They are detested by God of the Bible and their followers will be annihilated forever.

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What's Your View Of Jehovah's Witnesses As Individual Persons?

by minimus in

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friends

do you think they make the best parents?.

the best children?.

the best workers?.

OBVES

This is one of my wishes that I want God Yahweh to grant me in the Paradise ! I want to show saved people in the Paradise a fascinating movie about people I got to know in my workplace .Almost all were or are not Jehovah's Witnesses and I want the people to know what I have seen and I hope that will bring glory to God Yahweh as saved in the Paradise will bow down and worship and praise God Yahweh that we had Jehovah's Witnesses around us .

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What's Your View Of Jehovah's Witnesses As Individual Persons?

by minimus in

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friends

do you think they make the best parents?.

the best children?.

the best workers?.

OBVES

Knowing how great are their publications one should expect Jehovah's Witnesses to be one of the best people on the face of the earth. Kids born into Jehovahs Witness family are most lucky .

I am riding on bike and if I had a choice to choose one of the two routes -one where Jehovahs Witness kids stand and the other kids from other religions or atheists - without a shadow of a doubt I would chose the first route to ride safely.

Many of you would have to see what my eyes have seen at my workplace for almost 28 years ! You could thank God that the Jehovah's Witnesses do exist.

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Fantasizing about the end of the Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Bring_the_Light in

i'm pretty new here.

after being on my own 10 years, i'm finally coming to grips with my past (which i previously just ignored/didn't think about).

thanks for existing everyone, its been very existential.

OBVES

If you know my views I am representing and understand a little what I am writing about Jehovah's Witnesses whom I view as the only legitimate christian organization in our times according to the Bible then you can sense a bit that the end might come soon to all enemies of Jehovah's Witnesses .

The year I am predicting is the year 2011 AD. No ,no, it is not the prediction made by the Watchtower ! I came to it, being an indpendent servant of God Yahweh . My views differ a lot when compared to what the Watchtower teaches and yet despite of so many different views I am defending Jehovah's Witnesses as they fit the end-time pattern based on my understanding of the Bible. The Watchtower made mistakes in the past but their mistakes pale away when compared to what most christian religions teach !

There were many who left in hords the Jehovahs Witness Organization not realizing how grave mistakes they made. It seems like they jumped from the frying pan into the fire. How many lost spirituality and how senseless they became in their new found freedom.

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If you believe in nothing, then how do you know JW's are wrong?

by slimboyfat in

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many who leave the witnesses go on to affirm other recognisable sets of beliefs.

some become christians of various sorts, others tend toward patriotism as a kind of rejection of the anti-patriotic stance of the watchtower, while yet more simply affirm in general the secular values of mainstream society.

do you believe jehovah's witnesses are wrong?

OBVES

If there is God and He has His words written for His people it must be the Bible alone in our times. And if we speak about the true christian faith in our times we must find corresponding dates to the dates when Christ and his first disciples lived and taught.

And these corresponding dates may serve as indicators showing us whose religion God Yahweh accepts today .

7 BC - 2 BC - 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD - 70 AD - 106 AD must be duplicated in the end-times. Then we can know we are dealing with a christinity God Yahweh approves of .

Go back to my posts and see how dates 1879 AD,1884 AD,1914 AD-1918 AD-1921 AD ,1950 AD, 1955 AD ,1984 AD -1988 AD - 1991 AD are related to the ancient timeline given above.

7 BC = 1879 AD 2 BC = 1884 AD 29 AD = 1914 AD 33 AD = 1918 AD 36 AD = 1921 AD 70 AD = 1955 AD 106 AD = 1991 AD This timeline points to the Internatinonal Bible Students and Jehovah's Witnesses as legitimate christianity of the end-time era.

Then there is another timeline for one independent servant as per Luke 9.49-50.The last manifestation of Christ before Christ will return in person in the great glory - and the likely date is 2011 AD.

1950 AD - 1984 AD = the span covering the age of Christ 33 or 34 years which are close to 33.5 years. 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD is a duplicate of 29 AD-33 AD -36 AD in a reversed way: 29 AD = 1991 AD 33 AD = 1988 AD 36 AD = 1984 AD 70 AD = 1950 AD

106 AD = 1914 AD

607 BC + 70 weeks of Daniel 9.24 projected into the far distant future =?

607 BC + 70 weeks = 7 Times 70 days = "7 Times" + 70 days = 2520 years + 70 years= 1914 AD -1984 AD

537 BC + 7 weeks of Daniel 9.25 projected into the far distant future.

537 BC + 7 Times 7 days as "7 Times" ( = 2520 days=2520 years) + 7 years ( for 7 days) = 1984 AD - 1991 AD

So,we have a core umistakable timeline for the end-times: 1914 AD - 1984 AD - 1991 AD and this is a framework to work with and identify the true servants of Luke 9.49-50: one small united group of disciples feeding its flock and one seperate independant servant closing the list of 144000 chosen menservants of Jesus Christ. And note this one independent servant cannot be against that small group of servants according to Jesus' testimony in the reference.

Since these two types will destroy all false christians we can take into account this as well:

587 BC - Destruction of unfaithul Jerusalem ( today it is false christian religions ) + 70 years = 517 BC

517 BC + 7 weeks or 7 Times as 2520 years + 7 years = 2004 AD - 2011 AD.

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Nobody is talking about the Generation change!!

by hamsterbait in

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friends

every time i have raised the noolite on this, it is met with blank looks and no comment.. on the phone it has been met with silence while they wait to see why i am talking about it.. has anybody else noticed this - it is a trend that less and less witlesses discuss doctrines and teachings when socializing.. could it be that they don't want to acknowledge a creeping disernment that they have been strung along, and so the gibbering buddy can no more be trusted on this claim than all the other failures, or is it that they are afraid of being called apostos?.

one elderly sister (90) who really thought she would never die, and is now, when i said i was atonished at the recent changes in 1935 annointed, generation and now no book group, just waited at the other end of the phone..

"so does this mean you think it is all rubbish?

OBVES

I can remember some events from my childhood when I was going to kindergarden.The age of 5 is a very reasonable age to bear witness to some events.

This way we can count the end-time generation from 1919 AD. Next year 2009 AD there will be still many people in the world of age 100. May be some 2 million. My next prediction of the end of the world is the year 2011 AD. With the aging population coupled with medical advances it is likely that the same number will stay to that year. 2 million poeple that's a whole lot of people. For the generation to pass all those would have to die before 2011 AD.

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Is the Bible REALLY the "Word of God"?

by nicolaou in

it can be picked apart scientifically and it's prophetic claims don't withstand scrutiny.

surely god could've come up with something more convincing?.

if the almighty had started genesis by establishing his credentials thoroughly i'd be more inclined to take the rest of the book seriously.

OBVES

The understanding of the Bible I present in my posts is the proof . Read why any Bible must have 66 books at least and how these books can be aligned in groups which in turn determines the end-time chronology.

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Expect big things to happen tomorrow

by startingover in

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friends

that's right, may 1 and after should see momentous changes!.

that because it's.

national day of prayer!.

OBVES

There is no specific day for this type of prayer : it is spiritual one and goes on everyday in a life of any true christian . When we live according to the Bible we live according to the words of Matthew 6.9-18. We fulfill these words everyday and this way we come under the words of this passage. The words are ascribed to our lives and this kind of prayer God Yahweh accepts and such prayer birings salvation !

Saying that May 1st is a national day of prayer is contrary to the spirit of the Bible and false religions practice such day of prayer.