...in all fiction:jealous and proud of it; petty, unjust, unforgiving, control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevent bully.
", says richard dawkins in the god delusion p51.
he goes on to say, "those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror".. would you agree?.
Thanks for this mentioning of hell ! This confirms my earlier response that the Bible is the most difficult book in the world and people misunedrstand the Bible so they misunderstand who is God of the Bible.
God will not torment anybody forever . Jesus taught in parables,metaphors.
God of the Old Testament and the New Testament is the same God and He is only good ! Jesus said so - Matthew 19.17.
in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.
at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.
what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.
You are udderly wrong . Come on! They are true christians and if we live in the endtimes they had to come up with something ! True christian's lives should revolve around the prediction dates .
Just read the New Testament how much is about the end of the world written there.
My life from the year 1972 revolved a lot around the predictions of the end of the world.
I made predictions for 1991 AD,1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001 AD,2004 AD,2005 AD and now have the best of all previous the year 2011 AD.
I have not changed my religion since I abandoned my catholic religion in 1974 AD. I am happy with my religion as it is based on the Bible and I defend Jehovah's Witnesses .Before I used to attack them .They are clearly the best christian organization. And the only one that now counts .
...in all fiction:jealous and proud of it; petty, unjust, unforgiving, control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevent bully.
", says richard dawkins in the god delusion p51.
he goes on to say, "those of us schooled from infancy in his ways can become desensitized to their horror".. would you agree?.
The Bible is the most difficult book in the world to understand and thos who don't understand it by taking words superficially get into trap .
They don't understand who is God Yahweh.
They take various words from the Old Testament by misunderstanding God ,not knowing His plans and actions.
I have the best opponent to my religious views Harold Camping from http://www.familyradio.com and listen how he is explaining God of the Old Testament for His actions depicted there seemingly horrible . Call him on his Open Forum program which I like to listen to and how this old man of 89 years explains God's actions in the Old Testament !
The Bible is from God and it says God is just and who are you to question God in his actions . You don't have the true religion in the first place if you question God's action .
Just imagine God Yahweh is everywhere behind every particle of the universe and sustains it .Look through the window and see raindrops how many of them each one created by God Yahweh and guided to the ground !
You want to teach God to be a Just God ?!
If He is so horrible why he doesn't kill you now in an instant ? You deserve it if you attack Him with words. A man was stoned to death by picking up wood sticks in the forest on Sabbath day according to the Bible . You commit a more horrible act and you are still living .
had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .
is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?
:-).
If you read my posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn ( my google group ) you would know that .
However he has some very good points you should learn about and think about the endtimes. He came up with the dates :
May,21,2011 AD and October 21,2011 AD ; with that he beat up Jehovah's Witnesses .
He is my opponent number 1 and I think to Jehovah's Witnesses too.
He is now decisively number 1 Bible preacher on radio.
had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .
is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?
:-).
If you see some information that is a matter of life or death and which religion is true or false you should do something about it and try to examine these matters once for all as it can help you a lot in the time when we are closing in on the important year 2011 AD when lives of 7 billion people are at stake and you might be among those in danger.
Put aside hundreds of hours for investigating this matter of the endtimes with the Bible handy .
in my introductory post i told about the jws that have been visiting me at my sil's request.
at first i spoke with them for her sake, then found i liked them anyway.
what i didn't like was the literature, especially the stuff trying to disprove evolution.
Another thread I mean is entitled basically " Are they really that bad ? ".
Jehovah's Witnesses are approved of God Yahweh and it can be seen in the timeline I presented that goes into eternity.
1935 AD ...... 1984 AD .... 2034 AD .. 2044 AD ...... 990 years: 10 x 49+50 .... 3034 AD ... 3044 AD.
49 years 50 years
They can even take advantage of the year 1914 AD as we have a 120-year period from 1914 AD to 2034 AD !
No other christian church organization on this earth comes even close to Jehovah's Witnesses.
had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .
is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?
:-).
It is irrefutable . I am fully convinced nonef you will not find me another one unless you an indpendent Bible student and came up with some new good ideas from the Bible.
If you belong to any other church organization it will be in contradiction to the Bible.
Harold Camping from http://www.familyradio.com who has the same year 2011 AD on table when Jesus should return is against all local churches and he got good points you can hear by tuning to his interesting Open Forum program.
Whatever mistakes on the part of the Watchtower , they might not accept me with my biblical views , they still surpass all other churches on this planet earth.
The timeline I came to concerning our last days which are the endtimes points to the Internatonal Bible Student Association and Jehovah's Witnesses as the only true christian organizations in our time.
7 BC .. 2 BC ... 29 AD - 33 AD - 36 AD
has a duplicate in :
1879 AD .... 1884 AD ... 1914 AD - 1918 AD - 1921 AD .
Times when Jesus and his first disciples lived and taught a new religion can be superimposed upon the times of the International Bible Student Association.They revived or restored the defunct true christian religion.
And by sticking to the name wachtower Jehovah's Witnesses became a legitimate organization approved of God and they in turn has a 7-year period of tribulation in the precise time:
1935 AD - 1939 AD - 1942 AD.
The next 7-year period is 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD .
Note the distances between the dates:
1914 AD - 1935 AD - 1984 AD beginning dates : 21 years + 49 years .
This how 70-year period can be split into two parts.
A special jubilee year was 1984 AD.
1984 AD - 50 years - 50 years ... 1884 AD.
1984 AD + 50 years = 2034 AD.
1935 AD - 1984 AD - 2034 AD shows there two ways to count jubilee years: every 49 year or every 50 year.
Go to http://www.focusonthebible2011.com
and note I am speaking about 23 year period : 2011 AD - 2034 AD.
2034 AD - 3034 AD = 1000 years.
7 BC was a jubilee year in line of 607 BC ..... 457 BC ... 7 BC and 1994 AD was a jubilee year and the next one is 2044 AD.
1935 AD ... 1984 AD .... 2034 AD .... 2044 AD .... 990 years ... 3034 AD ..... 3044 AD ...... 990 years ........
49 50 10 10x99 ( 49+50) = 990 10 10x99 = 990
We can see how beautifully the future times will be arranged ! This time pattern will go into eternity.
Read and examine my posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn how I came to that God's name represents the number 99 which is 49+50 .
By God's grace ( HalleluYAH ) I am using Luke 9.49-50 to claim my independent status and I am defending Jehovah's Witnesses and it must be so as God YAHWEH prearranged that. God's name 99 is on Jehovah's Witnesses with their date 1934 AD .
had a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .
is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?
:-).
But if God wants us to avoid blood at any price we can use it to the advantage of our children .
Do you want to keep your child for 100 years only as your child will die most likely without beliving in God or take a chance in a law loophole and let your child die by refusing blood transfusion for religious reasons in order not to break God's law and see your child in the Paradise most likely alive eternally ?
Most kids after they grow up are not believing in God the right way so they as a grown-up people most likely will die forever.
For instance I would prefer to die as child because of my parent's refusal for blood transfusion than to live on a happy life for 100 years without believing in God .I would end up with death forever but as a dead child I would be resurrected in the Paradise and at that time it will be easy to be saved and live forever .
We cannot just kill the kids for any reason as we cannot kill .
There were people who were dying for their religious convictions they could choose life but chose to die.
People in Haiti who were saved and died in an earthquake there should have been happy when this disaster occurred to leave this world by going to a new better world of joy,prosperity .They were leaving the misery they had in their country .
Apostle Paul was willing to die as to be absent from the body is to be present with Christ- 2 Corinthians 5.8.
How first christians were dying cruel deaths for their religious convictions !They chose to die .
i had a conversation with my brother a while back and i was venting about my frustrations about the watchtower.. after some heated discussion my brother told me that "he needed to do more bible study because he felt weak.".
i bit my tongue because i felt this to be a little comical.. this is something that witnesses are taught to do.
if they start to question the doctrine they are programmed to seek further indoctrination.. the interesting thing about my brother's statement was he used the buzz word "study.".
2 Timothy 3.16.The Bible is for teaching and correction. We don't get all things right first time around as we study the Bible.
Spen hundreds of hours on reading the references from the Bible about the endtimes. Add hundreds more on examining my posts asking God for guidance all the time.
Also compare the way you are talking about the Bible with what Harold Camping is saying about the Bible on his Open Forum program.
i had a conversation with my brother a while back and i was venting about my frustrations about the watchtower.. after some heated discussion my brother told me that "he needed to do more bible study because he felt weak.".
i bit my tongue because i felt this to be a little comical.. this is something that witnesses are taught to do.
if they start to question the doctrine they are programmed to seek further indoctrination.. the interesting thing about my brother's statement was he used the buzz word "study.".
You need to study the Bible all over again and examine my posts on alt.religion.jehovahs-witn where you can read about the nature of the predictions in the endtime era.
There is no specific date given in the Bible when Jesus will return .
You can find in the Bible Jesus is God and that Jesus is not God , you can find in the Bible there is a hot hell and you can find verses in the Bible there is no hot hell .And for ages people argued about these topics with most people getting the wrong explanations.
There is no date given in the Bible. There are many possible dates to give based on understanding of the Bible so the task of arrival at the right date is extremely difficult .There not two choices like in the case of hell where most people were wrong but thousands of possible dates .
So no wonder we must be very cautious when giving a specific date and let people know what is the essence of the predictions about the coming of Jesus and the end of the world.
Harold Camping is against all local churches including Jehovah's Witnesses but I am with Jehovah's Witnesses . He got the date May,21,2011 while I have Septemeber 28,2011 .And I must give him some credit in his date as calculations he presents on his Open Forum program are superb.
Read the story of Harold Camping on Wikipedia. He's number 1 Bible preacher on radio decisively. Right now when I am writing this response I have a audio tape running with his Open Forum .
