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607 wrong using ONLY the bible (and some common sense)

by Witness My Fury in

if this has been covered before i apologise in advance.

using only the bible and a bit of common sense.. ok, here goes:.

do the "seventy years" count from jerusalems destruction or not?

OBVES

607 BC is the date God Yahweh wants us to use in decoding the endtime era .

Even if it was 2893 BC doesn't matter ! What matters is what dates God Yahweh wants us to use and impute them to some events .

Imagine you are in the army where secret codes are used to hide an important information. Table X may mean granade .

If the Flood of Noah took really place in 4990 BC as Harold Camping proves ( http://www.familyradio.com ). God wants his true servants to use the date 2372 BC for the Flood as a secret code .

2372 breaks into two parts : 23 and 72 . 72 - 23 = 49 .

1891 AD + 72 years = 1963 AD ... 1988 AD + 23 years = 2011 AD . 2011 AD - 1891 AD = 120 years .

1891 AD + 72 years + 49 years + 23 years = 2034 AD .

2034 AD - 120 years = 1914 AD - 23 years = 1891 AD .

Using the endtime code given by God of the Bible to the International Bible Students in the date 2372 BC we decode two endtime 120-year periods :

1891 AD + 120 years = 2011 AD and 1914 AD + 120 years = 2034 AD .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com .

The same principles apply to the date 607 BC even if the actual date might have been 688 BC or any other date .

The 607 BC hides " 7 times " as 607 can be transformed into 6x7=42 and 42 implies " 7 times " .

7 weeks as 7 times 7 days / years = 49 years .In this eqauation " 7 times " must mean 42 years as " 7 times" + 7 years = 49 years.

We look for the dates in our times which are the endtimes and apply 42 years properly.

1878 AD + 42 years = 1920 AD . 1992 AD + 42 years = 2034 AD .

1992 AD - 42 years =1950 AD . 1920 AD + 42 years = 1962 AD.

These dates overlap : 1950 AD - 1962 AD = 12 years becomes as 24 years .

42 years when reversed mean 24 years or 12 years .

That is why we have :

1878 AD - 1920 AD - 1950 AD - 1962 AD - 1992 AD - 2034 AD .

42 years + 30 years + 12 years + 30 years + 42 years .

30 years + 12 years = 42 years . 12 years + 30 years = 42 years .

42 years + " shadow 42 years " + " shadow 42 years + 42 years

1878 AD - 2034 AD - the endtime era using 607 BC in a decoded state.

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ARE YOU READY FOR ARMAGEDDON 5/21/2011?

by botchtowersociety in

jw
friends

judgment day.

the end of the world is almost here!.

holy god will bring judgment day on.

OBVES

Note to a reader :

There is also a period of 23 years from 2011 AD to 2034 AD .This way the endtime era can be extended to the year 2034 AD .

1914 AD + 120 years = 2034 AD .

1878 AD + 72 years ... 1950 AD .... 1962 AD + 72 years = 2034 AD .

72 + 72 = 144 which implies this endtime era also belongs to 144000 servants of Jesus .

1938 AD - 1950 AD - 1962 AD - 1974 AD .

12 years 12 years 12 years .

We can take into consideration the Jewish nation as the endtime sign by using the date 1938 AD that began a 7-year tribulation for the Jews :

1938 AD - 1942 AD - 1945 AD.

1945 AD - 1948 AD = 3 years.

1991 AD which is at the end of 7-year period : 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD when we add 3 years we get the year 1994 AD which is linked to

Jesus and his number 49 years . 7 BC + 2000 years = 1994 AD.

1994 AD - 49 years = 1945 AD. We had three times 12 years which is 36 years :

1994 AD - 36 years = 1948 AD .

Did you read my posts well ? I wrote about the last hours as 83 years ,84 years and 85 years.

1920 AD - 2005 AD was 85 years.

Let's take the periods from the above : 49 years and 36 years and combine them we get 85 years .

Pope John Paul II was linked to these two dates: 1920 AD - 2005 AD .

So , we can be assured we live in the very endtime era as we have extra signs of the end that include the coming of the national Israel into existence and appearance of John Paul II that was born in 1920 AD and died in 2005 AD.

1948 AD + 70 years = 2018 AD which ends a final 7-year period for the Jews to return to Jesus : 2011 AD - 2018 AD .

When Jesus comes back in 2011 AD it would be fitting that the national Israel finally recognize Jesus as their Messiah ! HalleluYAH !

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ARE YOU READY FOR ARMAGEDDON 5/21/2011?

by botchtowersociety in

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friends

judgment day.

the end of the world is almost here!.

holy god will bring judgment day on.

OBVES

The endtime era is inseperable to the International Bible Students who began it all with the revival of the true christian religion .

How to pull them into these scenario using this phenomanal date code for the Flood of Noah : 2372 BC ?

72 - 23 = 49 years and we got :

1935 AD - 1939 AD - 1942 AD .. 49 years ... 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD .

49 years breaks into two important periods that are linked to the name of God and " 7 times ".

God's name looks like four sevens in the Hebrew language which is 28 .

7000 years = 7 times 1000 years = " 7 times " + 1000 years . "7 times " here is 6000 years = 6 days each 1000 years .

1+2+3+4+5+6 = 21 . " 7 times " can mean 21 .

49 years break into 28 years + 21 years .

1935 AD - 21 years = 1914 AD . 1942 AD - 28 years = 1914 AD .

The International Bible Students are pulled in into the endtime scenario as the first true christian religion of our endtimes by the date 1914 AD.

It's an awe-inspiring scenario and can be called dramatic too as we are approaching this May 21,2011 AD and Harold Camping is in clear opposition to Jehovah's Witnesses and would also be to the International Bible Students and to me as well . He is my best opponent to handle with .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com .

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ARE YOU READY FOR ARMAGEDDON 5/21/2011?

by botchtowersociety in

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friends

judgment day.

the end of the world is almost here!.

holy god will bring judgment day on.

OBVES

Armageddon will not happen on May 21 ,2011 AD most likely . The best date in alignment with dating historic events is the fall calendar with the Rosh Hashana beginning a new year.

This year September 29 is the day of Rosh Hashana .It would coincide with the beginning of a new era .

We will have 23 -year period before the 1000-year Sabbath begins in 2034 AD.

It could even be a period of the Great Tribulation which is strikingly similar to the 23-year period : 1988 AD - 2011 AD .

We must wait and see what is going to happen this fall .

The latest date for Jesus' coming this year is November 13 preceded by November 12 which is also a prediction date .

Camping carries numerous faulty interpretations of the Bible verses . The sway on the endtime lies in the hands of Jehovah's Witnesses and the International Bible Students before them and some individuals today that are not against these two as these two are linked to the spiritual building of the Ark for 120 years .

The sign of Noah's time is not a period of 7000 years as Harold Camping depicts it .The period of 120 years must be posted and those who are linked to that period and these two above-mentioned organizations can be positively identified to this 120 years of building the Ark that brings salvation .

The last days it is what Peter was writing in 2 Peter 3 ;not 7000 years !The last days are 2000 years as each day from the time when Jesus lived and taught a new religion is like 1000 years .

11 AD + 2000 years = 2011 AD .

120 years is from 2 BC to 119 AD and now from 1884 AD to 2004 AD and 7 years extra are for 7 days - Genesis 7.1-4 ; Ezekiel 4.6 :

one day as one year.

2004 AD + 7 years = 2011 AD.

The date for the Noah's Flood is 2372 BC .This is a code God Yahweh wanted us to use in decoding the endtimes just as codes are used in the army.

2372 BC breakes into two parts : 23 and 72 .

We must locate these time gaps in our times to know more our times are like Noah's time .

23 years and 72 years must be properly fitted and we must know how dates were established before .

1878 AD + 72 years = 1950 AD . 1988 AD + 23 years = 2011 AD .

1950 AD - 1988 AD = 38 years . 38 years can be broken into two eqaul parts : 19 years .

1950 AD + 19 years = 1969 AD . 1969 AD + 19 years = 1988 AD .There must be people or persons linked these dates :

1878 AD,1950 AD,1969 AD,1988 AD,2011 AD .The lives of these people must be linked to the true service to God Yahweh .

72 years - 23 years = 49 years which represents Jesus' name which in the Hebrew resembles seven sevens : 7 x7 = 49 .

It also serves in establishing a jubilee years every 49 years .

1988 AD is linked to the 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD.

49 years back in time we have :

1935 AD - 1939 AD - 1942 AD . Jehovah's Witnesses are linked to this 7-year period .

And the period : 1984 AD - 1988 AD - 1991 AD was identified by God's power ,wisdom and grace to whom it belongs .

And this way Luke 9.49-50 came into fruition . People linked to these two sets of 7-year periods are empowered by God Yahweh to announce the very endtime.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com .

To God Yahweh who is God of the Bible belongs power and glory as we are nothing as we see how marvelous God is He when we understand the numbers given in the Bible . Amen.

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ARE YOU READY FOR ARMAGEDDON 5/21/2011?

by botchtowersociety in

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friends

judgment day.

the end of the world is almost here!.

holy god will bring judgment day on.

OBVES

It might be a terrible day May 21 ,2011 for Mr Camping if it happens what you try to convey.

He teaches a horrible heresy that Jesus is God the Father ! Read 1 Timothy 2.5 that was written long after Jesus was taken to heaven .

Jesus is the man that is called God figuratively .Great men in Israel were called gods and Jesus is number 1 god ;so in the English language it is proper to call him God but that doesn't mean he is God Yahweh .

The only true God is the Father of Jesus - John 17.3 .

Jehovah's Witnesses taught that for decades and their predecessors the International Bible Students were doing the same .

From the very beginning they both taught there was no literal hot hell .

Harold Camping in the year 2007 AD almost 20 years after 1988 AD when the church era ended according to him was still teaching hot hell in the most cruel way imaginable .Small children that were not chosen by God ( almost all ) were going to suffer horrible torments throughout the eternity . The damage he had done was huge .He painted God of the Bible in such terrible way . Would God Yahweh wanted his servant to teach such horrible doctrines ?

Examine before May 21 ,2011 AD kicks in my posts on this discussion forum .

Go to a google group alt.religion.jehovahs-witn and find my posts .

[email protected] .

There is a better date in place now : September 29 ,2011 AD ; Even the October 21 ,2011 AD which can be the earliest 17th day of the second month in a year is a better date in view than May 21,2011 AD.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

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WHO WROTE THE BIBLE by Washington Gladden, PT 1

by Quentin in

am currently reading this book.

would like to share some excerpts from same.take note mr. gladden is objective in his wrting.see wikipedia for gladden bio.

excerpts, printed by waking lion press.

OBVES

Becuase of the numbers and periods given in the Bible that are now being understood it is 1000% certain the Bible is from God Yahweh !

Examine my posts on this discussion forum .

http://www.focusonthebible .

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New light on NEW LIGHT

by Terry in

well, it just sort of came to me while i was driving.. the doctrine of new light is a false analogy.. why had i not considered this before?.

here is what i'm thinking; see if you don't agree.... jehovah's witnesses are divided into three distinct tiers of membership.. 1.governing body anointed.

2.clueless anointed.

OBVES

It is not surprising I already wrote about the years 2011 AD ,2012 AD ,2018 AD,2034 AD.

And in this year 2011 AD alone I already have 5 dates to consider : May 21,September 29,October 21,November 12, November 13 .

Note that despite of new discoveries from the Bible I am remaining in my religion all the time unshaken .My case rests with the Almighty God Yahweh who gave us the Bible the only sacred book to rely on. I began in 1974 AD and new light after new light came in and I remain open to the next new discoveries if they come in . My religion comes from God Yahweh that is why it is unshakeable .

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New light on NEW LIGHT

by Terry in

well, it just sort of came to me while i was driving.. the doctrine of new light is a false analogy.. why had i not considered this before?.

here is what i'm thinking; see if you don't agree.... jehovah's witnesses are divided into three distinct tiers of membership.. 1.governing body anointed.

2.clueless anointed.

OBVES

You should be in the new light to understand it .Since 1984 AD there is a new wave of understanding the Bible and it is taking place on individual basis by some individual christians who are not associated with any organized religion .

The new light will be for instance this understanding that any prediction about the return of Jesus and end of the world must take into account a period of 120 years in the likeness of Noah's days - Matthew 24.37-39; Genesis 6.3.

So we must identify that period of 120 years and Jesus can not come before these 120 years expires.

If you begin with the year 1874 AD you must add 120 years which leads to the year 1994 AD . This could be the first date for eventual return of Jesus. All previous predictions lacked this point ! Jesus could not come before 1994 AD.

Then we proceed further .

We had 1879 AD as the important date that puts us at the year 1999 AD ( 1999 AD - 120 years = 1879 AD ).

The next very important date is the year 1884 AD when the International Bible Students got their recognition from the US government .

1884 AD + 120 years = 2004 AD .

And if were substitute 7 days from Noah's days - Genesis 7.1-4 ; Ezekiel 4.6 : 1 day = 1 year we can have 2004 AD + 7 years = 2011 AD .

And it turns out this is the next valid Bible-based prediction for the return of Jesus .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

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1984 WT cover -- Watchtower's Final Failed Prediction?

by FatFreek 2005 in

the infamous cover of that 1984 watchtower (27 years ago) was perhaps the last prediction / prophecy of the watchtower society.

will there be any more or have they finally learned their lesson?

some think they are like a race-track junkie and are addicted to predictions.

OBVES

If you will examine my posts I am turning failed predictions of the past made by true christians to their advantage .

They failed but to some degree ,not so much as most people would think .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com.

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How could Jesus be ruling the world since 1914 yet Satan is the ruler of the world?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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friends

july 2011 awake (p.5) says: the ruler of this world.

the bible states: the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.

(john 12:31; 1 john 5:19) that wicked one is satan the devil, a powerful spirit creature who is described as the ruler of the authority of the air.

OBVES

I think it is better to say God is ruling this physical world . But God allowed Satan to rule over the evil people to rule in their spiritual world .
http://www.focusonthebible2011.com.

When the true christian religion died in 106 AD there was no need for Satan to interfere avctively in man's affairs so he was chained for symbolic 1000 years which is 1772 years to 1878 AD and since the defunct true christian religion was beginning to re-emerge Satan had to be loosed to pull mankind away from knowing this new christian religion being revived .

So the rule by Satan is linked to the existence of the true religion .

There was no need for Satan to actively rule in 1589 AD or 1777 AD.

Now since the prediction for September 29 ,2011 AD is set forth Satan is raging over that and uses his all available means to destroy this message !So his rule much more enhanced now as the last resort . This same idea could have been used in 1914 AD prediction which was a very important date .