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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  You do not cooperate with what you feel is an unjust investigation.

  At any rate, when the alleged abuse happened, how old the claimants are, and who the perpetrators were/are is basically the linchpin to the validity of RV’s assertions.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  More ad hominem attacks. This is how I know my arguments are valid.

  If my arguments are speculation, RC can easily clear this up by disclosing at least the age range of the claimants, or if they are children or not. Or if there are any children making any claims at all.

  How old the cases are tells us if “coverups” are going on now, or in the recent past. This is absolutely critical to the claims of RC, and they flatly say these alleged “mishandlings” are currenly happening. It will validate or invalidate their claims.

  You are LYING if you say someone is covering up child sex abuse now, and then as evidence, cite Regan-era child abuse complaints.

  Since then, government and organization policies have changed dramatically, and hence, no one can be judged for what happened in the 80s, based on modern day standards that simply did not exist back then.

  As pointed out before, the habit of people like them are to cite outdated and replaced policies, and say they are current practice. That is done for the specific purpose of attempting to make old claims appear to reflect modern practice.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Then, there’s the question of how old these cases are.

  Are they digging back from the 80s, 70s, 60s, when the world at large was ignorant of child abuse?

  Its worth critically analyzing the context of these alleged 300 cases. How old are the victims? Are they adults, or children?

  RC needs to have their already dubious claims scrutinized.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  6 is 6 too many, but it still only counts for less than 2 percent.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  wait..

  So they’re not ready to go to police but they’re ready to go to a stranger who planned to exploit their stories and pimp them and their families out to the Netherland government?

  yeah, sure...
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  “Spinning” the article? Are you kidding me?

  It reported only 6 of the alleged “more than 300” filed a report. So if all 300+ of those allegations are true, then why would those victims fell compelled to go to RC, and not the police, who are actually qualified to investigate and deliver justice? Can RC deliver justice? Are they law enforcement?

  So it’s reasonable to conclude that something is fishy here. The numbers are either being fabricated or they are simply accepting reports of unproven hearsay from third and fourth hand accounts.

  After all, ex-jw and non-jw opposers around the world die on the hill of “I know of a...” or “I heard this happened in congregation x...” and so on and so forth.

  The actual, hard, independent proof has always been in very short supply.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Please, attaking me is a red herring, address the merits of what I said.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Something noteworthy from the article — only 6 of the “more than 300” claimaints RC claims they have filed a “report” (I am assuming a police report)? That’s south of 2 percent. They’ve been getting these reports for about a year, and that’s it?

  How many of these “more than 300” are actually valid complaints, and how many are based on stories like “a Witness I know, says her sister’s best friend’s cousin was abused by the second cousin of another Witness she knows” type of stuff?
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  The “how” and “what” are the most important details. Best wait until those come out before banging your head on the ceiling.
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  Archbishop resigns.. Australia

  by zeb in

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  2. child-abuse

  https://www.theepochtimes.com/australian-archbishop-resigns-amid-uptick-of-sex-abuse-cover-ups-and-acts_2608598.html?utm_source=epoch+times+newsletters&utm_campaign=3ecf79a4af-epoch+10+07-31-2018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4fba358ecf-3ecf79a4af-238225877.

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  It’s apparent you didn’t read the article. The boys reported it to him directly. Branch members don’t take reports directly from victims — local elders do.

  So basically, local elders would be subject to conviction for not reporting abuse to police. There is no equivalence here, local elders are not “high-ranking” and there certainly is no “precedent”.