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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  wait..

  So they’re not ready to go to police but they’re ready to go to a stranger who planned to exploit their stories and pimp them and their families out to the Netherland government?

  yeah, sure...
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  “Spinning” the article? Are you kidding me?

  It reported only 6 of the alleged “more than 300” filed a report. So if all 300+ of those allegations are true, then why would those victims fell compelled to go to RC, and not the police, who are actually qualified to investigate and deliver justice? Can RC deliver justice? Are they law enforcement?

  So it’s reasonable to conclude that something is fishy here. The numbers are either being fabricated or they are simply accepting reports of unproven hearsay from third and fourth hand accounts.

  After all, ex-jw and non-jw opposers around the world die on the hill of “I know of a...” or “I heard this happened in congregation x...” and so on and so forth.

  The actual, hard, independent proof has always been in very short supply.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Please, attaking me is a red herring, address the merits of what I said.
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  Something noteworthy from the article — only 6 of the “more than 300” claimaints RC claims they have filed a “report” (I am assuming a police report)? That’s south of 2 percent. They’ve been getting these reports for about a year, and that’s it?

  How many of these “more than 300” are actually valid complaints, and how many are based on stories like “a Witness I know, says her sister’s best friend’s cousin was abused by the second cousin of another Witness she knows” type of stuff?
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  Newspaper reports: Dutch government will initiate inquiry into child abuse within JW community

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  today a dutch newspaper published an in-depth follow-up item on jw abuse issues.. the most interesting part of the article is this:.

  the politicians also let themselves be heard.

  a month ago the house of representatives voted unanimously in favor of a motion to enforce an independent inquiry into abuse within the jehovah's witnesses, as the organization refuses to initiate it.

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  Doubter

  The “how” and “what” are the most important details. Best wait until those come out before banging your head on the ceiling.
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  Archbishop resigns.. Australia

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  https://www.theepochtimes.com/australian-archbishop-resigns-amid-uptick-of-sex-abuse-cover-ups-and-acts_2608598.html?utm_source=epoch+times+newsletters&utm_campaign=3ecf79a4af-epoch+10+07-31-2018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_4fba358ecf-3ecf79a4af-238225877.

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  Doubter

  It’s apparent you didn’t read the article. The boys reported it to him directly. Branch members don’t take reports directly from victims — local elders do.

  So basically, local elders would be subject to conviction for not reporting abuse to police. There is no equivalence here, local elders are not “high-ranking” and there certainly is no “precedent”.
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  Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

  lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

  all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

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  Doubter

  You can argue with yourself. Clearly, you understood me, but if not, then too bad.
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  Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

  lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

  all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

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  Doubter

  This is more about people gushing over a perceived “gotcha” without employing a shred of critical thought.

  Public Relations deal with media, lawyers deals with legal matters, the GB deals with doctrine.

  If a lack of overlap implies “cowardice” then every organization on the planet is full of “cowards”.

  LOL
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  Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

  lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

  all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

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  Doubter

  What Lloyd is claiming is the same as saying a 5-Star army general is not “courageous” because he’s not down on the front lines, dodging bullets, with his troops. His job is to command the army, not to be on the front lines.

  Why are the GB not talking to reporters, etc? It’s not their jobs. Their jobs are to establish and defend doctrine.

  This sort of stuff is why I’ve long regarded Lloyd as nothing more than a clever deciver.
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  Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

  lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

  all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

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  Doubter

  You all know Lloyd is going narrow the definition of courage to what explicitly excludes anything the GB does so to make whatever point he wants to make. In other words, he’s going to cherry pick.

  So according to what has been posted in the OP, one can only be courageous if he faces a reporter, agrees to a false summons (Losch was correct in refusing to appear on behalf of “Watchtower” — the court should have done its homework an actually found out his actual role), or answer questions he doesn’t know the answer to?

  Let’s forget the GB before becoming the GB were in the trenches just like ordinary rank and file members (in fact, the GB is pulled from the rank and file).