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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
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  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  Doubter

  Pale E.

  Tons of word salad there. That’s what happens when you are trying to hold two contradictory views at once. We call that cognitive dissonance. You are definitely exhibiting that.

  Yes a black-and-white definition is definitely required when you’re attempting to explain a fact. If you’re not attempting to explain a fact, then you’re making my point that “indoctrination” has many made up definitions depending on what ex-[insert religion here] member you’re talking to.

  Either JW‘s are free to choose, or they’re not.

  Period.
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  Doubter

  There is not such category of “the wrong people” the “society” deems are an offense that is subject to sanctioning if jws associate with them.

  Ex-jws only fall under that category for potential sanctions.
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  84

  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  Doubter

  Sparrow,

  Stop trying to split hairs. Either that they are indoctrinated and have no choice, or they are not indoctrinated and have total choice.

  The way many idiots employ that term implies indoctrination = no choice whatsoever, period.

  You can’t have it both ways.
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  84

  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  Doubter

  Nonsense. I am not talking about the dictionary definition of the term. I’m referring to the way it’s used by “anti cultists” of all stripes — to refer to the condition of a person not having a choice being “forced” in essence, via “brainwashing”.

  Seriously, I suspect you know what mean.
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  84

  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Doubter

  Oh yeah, “indoctrination” is another code word for “forced”.

  Forgot about that!
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  84

  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  2. 
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  Doubter

  FR

  In reality, that’s freedom of association as well. What, just because its family members it doesn’t apply? If it doesn’t, why not?
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  84

  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  Doubter

  And pale Emperor,

  The freedom of speech crap only flies when the government intervenes and tries to throw you in jail for what you say. It does not apply to private organizations

  I think you know this.
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Doubter

  PE,

  and jws have the freedom to decided who are members and who are not. That’s also freedom of association.
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
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  Doubter

  FR,

  Pressure and family expectations are a part of life. It happens in every facet of the secular world. Deal with it or go live on Mars.
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  2. 
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  Doubter

  Now, just for the record, when there are no sanctions for not going to Bethel, it is by default, volunteering.