Posts by Doubter

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

Morph,

Yes I know you from nowhere. My post wasn’t based on whether or not I know you — it was based on your it’s “not a free choice” assertion.

It’s the same universal argument made by ex jws. If there are no restrictions after being sanctioned, they say it’s a free choice. If there are restrictions, they say it’s not a free choice.

Unfortunately, life simply doesn’t work that way. Sanctions by nature carry certain restrictions. If there are no restrictions, sanctions have literally no purpose.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Please, I was an ex jw for 10 years. I just realized that choices have consequences, both good and bad, and you HAVE to live with them. That’s what you’re ignoring. That’s life. I accepted those consequences and I was fine while I was out.

You don’t want to accept those consequences. That’s why you say it’s not a “free” choice.

Once you recognize and accept that fact, you will make smart decisions.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

Pale E.

Tons of word salad there. That’s what happens when you are trying to hold two contradictory views at once. We call that cognitive dissonance. You are definitely exhibiting that.

Yes a black-and-white definition is definitely required when you’re attempting to explain a fact. If you’re not attempting to explain a fact, then you’re making my point that “indoctrination” has many made up definitions depending on what ex-[insert religion here] member you’re talking to.

Either JW‘s are free to choose, or they’re not.

Period.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

There is not such category of “the wrong people” the “society” deems are an offense that is subject to sanctioning if jws associate with them.

Ex-jws only fall under that category for potential sanctions.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

Sparrow,

Stop trying to split hairs. Either that they are indoctrinated and have no choice, or they are not indoctrinated and have total choice.

The way many idiots employ that term implies indoctrination = no choice whatsoever, period.

You can’t have it both ways.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

Nonsense. I am not talking about the dictionary definition of the term. I’m referring to the way it’s used by “anti cultists” of all stripes — to refer to the condition of a person not having a choice being “forced” in essence, via “brainwashing”.

Seriously, I suspect you know what mean.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

Oh yeah, “indoctrination” is another code word for “forced”.

Forgot about that!

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

FR

In reality, that’s freedom of association as well. What, just because its family members it doesn’t apply? If it doesn’t, why not?

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

And pale Emperor,

The freedom of speech crap only flies when the government intervenes and tries to throw you in jail for what you say. It does not apply to private organizations

I think you know this.

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Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

by pale.emperor in

former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

it reads rather culty.

i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

Doubter

PE,

and jws have the freedom to decided who are members and who are not. That’s also freedom of association.