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The Governing Body are Governing Pharisees
by believingxjw inan excerpt from the december 15, 2001 watchtower article, learn from me.. .
""from a study of biblical and secular evidence, we can conclude that the pharisees thought highly of themselves as guardians of the public good and the national welfare.
they were not satisfied that gods law was fundamentally clear and easily understood.
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Proof that Jehovah's Witnesses Live in a Fantasy Land
by Sour Grapes inas i attend some meetings i like to make notes on statements.
that are made that make my jaw just drop and almost laugh.
out loud.
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AvocadoJake
BUMP! UP!
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Viewpoint On Hal Fleming, How do you feel about him?
by AvocadoJake inhow do you feel about hal fleming?.
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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_at_ep_srch?_encoding=utf8&sort=relevancerank&search-alias=books&field-author=hal%20flemings.
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AvocadoJake
He is a nice man in my encounters with him , I don't know much about his books or his scholarship skills.
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WHY IT IS WRONG FOR ELDERS, MINISTERIAL SERVANTS AND PIONEERS TO SOCIALIZE WITH THE WEAK ONES!
by AvocadoJake inthere is a sister in our hall who has made it clear why her "jehovah" does not like weak ones.
her husband the po, will refuse to work with those who are not getting ten hours or more a month.
the weak ones "are spiritually dangerous and will bring you down.
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AvocadoJake
Thanks for your comments and insights on this subject! Pharisees 5.0 are alive and well in 2011! If she become a widow, her kids who have learned the tricks of the trade might take care of her. She would miss basking in the glory of her husband but could special pioneer and have it advertised on the back of her car. This couple judges the youth in the circuit harshly and their own kids have photos on the web standing next to Anton Lavey (Satanic Leader Who Lived in San Francisco,Ca) disciples, hugging these men (meanwhile they are considerd model worthy youth who are on circuit circus parts.), how evil is this? One day I will release this photo of them but must restrain for now. It's a chip in the little game called Watchtower Life. Why would the Holy Spirit not vomit men and women out of God's true organization? Does Jehovah really need this man and woman's money and physical works that bad?
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More rancid meat lovingly provided by the F&DS
by serenitynow! inin the 2/15/2012 koolaid there is an article about finding happiness in a divided household.
i found this to be particularly offensive: .
"when facing a challenge, it is important to seek scriptural counsel from publications of the faithful and discreet slave class and from the elders.
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AvocadoJake
How about reading the Bible and allowing the Word of God to speak for itself. Which scriptures mention all the class distinctions (axypio, regpio, specpio, zone servant, co, do, following men instead of Christ.) the GB have created. Ray Frantz said "It was all about the rules and not the qualities of Christ." my paraphrase of his thoughts. Would Jesus Christ have isolated himself like some hermit like Fred Frantz, Jesus was not a hermit who focused on rules and regulations, Jesus focused on Love! So how can we expect help from men, who crave glory from each other, and are in now way a loving group of Shepherds?
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What was your most DISTURBING event as an elder ? (Per T.O.S. no full names please).
by Balaamsass ini'll start the ball rolling.
dealing with kids in any type of judicial manner.
i would do everything i could to get parents to "deal with it-kindly" at home.
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AvocadoJake
Balaam, did you ever get to watch elders yelling at each other in the Meetings behind closed doors? How about a fist fight or wrestling with another brother, allowing a physical confrontation to decide who was correct. Did elders ever use profanity or talk in a manner that is not Christ-like?
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Do you really know what you believe?
by Leolaia inthere is a thought-provoking article on religion in the latest issue of skeptical inquirer.
i thought i'd share this quote which bears on jw issues in an interesting way:.
"do people know what their religious concepts are?
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AvocadoJake
Leolaia, are you a atheist or deist? I have not caught your viewpoint on God, so I might be dense, sorry!. The concept of the resurrection has been a strange idea to me, after reading some book on the Soul when I was a teenager. The concept that we are this collection of atoms that is changing every few years, made me wonder, if God brought me back, would I be a clone? How would I know it was me, those alive could not really know for certain, I am Me. We are all these elements that get transfered to another group of organisms when we die, but what part of us would God use to recreate us from the dead?
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The Bible Versus the Islamic Religion Regarding The Treatment Of Women.
by AvocadoJake indear sisters, have you ever read any of the middle eastern thoughts about women and how they are treated in lands that do not respect the bible?
these are some passages you might find interesting, compare these thoughts to how the bible views god's wonderful creation of women!
craig winn is author of the book "prophet of doom.
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AvocadoJake
Dear Sisters, have you ever read any of the Middle Eastern thoughts about women and how they are treated in lands that do not respect the Bible? These are some passages you might find interesting, compare these thoughts to how the Bible views God's wonderful creation of women! Craig Winn is author of the book "Prophet of Doom." and has compiled these qoutes.
http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes_Women.Islam
Women Tabari IX:113 "Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur'an." Tabari I:280 "Allah said, 'It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I must also make Eve stupid, although I created her intelligent.' Because Allah afflicted Eve, all of the women of this world menstruate and are stupid." Qur'an 4:3 "If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth)." Qur'an 4:11 "Allah directs you in regard of your Children's (inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females.... These are settled portions ordained by Allah." Bukhari:V1B22N28 "The Prophet said: 'I was shown the Hell Fire and the majority of its dwellers were women who are disbelievers or ungrateful.' When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, 'All the favors done for them by their husbands.'" Muslim:B1N142 "'O womenfolk, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell.' A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah's Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? The Prophet observed: 'You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. You lack common sense, fail in religion and rob the wisdom of the wise.' Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, 'Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.'" Qur'an 2:282 "And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women [a man is worth two women, and one man is always needed], such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her." Qur'an 4:43 "Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, or you have touched a woman, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving." [The Qur'an claims women are unclean and polluted - worse than dirt.] Bukhari:V4B55N547 "The Prophet said, 'But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.'" Qur'an 33:59 "Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better." Qur'an 4:15 "If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them." Bukhari:V4B52N143
V5B59N523"When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah's Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.'" Bukhari:V5B59N524 "The Muslims said among themselves, 'Will Safiyah be one of the Prophet's wives or just a lady captive and one of his possessions?'" Ishaq:593 "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." Bukhari:V3B48N826 "The Prophet said, 'Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?' The women said, 'Yes.' He said, 'This is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.'" Ishaq:584 "Tell the men with you who have wives: never trust a woman." Ishaq:185 "In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards." Qur'an 24:31 "Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands..." Qur'an 24:34 "Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life. [And here's the freedom-to-pimp card:] But if anyone forces them, then after such compulsion, Allah is oft-forgiving." Ishaq:469 "The Apostle said, 'Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa'd.'" Tabari VIII:62
Ishaq:496"Ali [Muhammad's adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, 'Prophet, women are plentiful. You can get a replacement, easily changing one for another.'" Ishaq:496 "Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.' So the Apostle called Burayra to ask her. Ali got up and gave her a violent beating first, saying, 'Tell the Apostle the truth.'" Qur'an 24:1 "(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment." Qur'an 24:6 "And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth." -
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Viewpoint On Hal Fleming, How do you feel about him?
by AvocadoJake inhow do you feel about hal fleming?.
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http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_at_ep_srch?_encoding=utf8&sort=relevancerank&search-alias=books&field-author=hal%20flemings.
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AvocadoJake
How do you feel about Hal Fleming?
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4 Suicides I Am Aware Of This Year, Why Elders, COs Are Not Competent To Handle These Matters. (Life Or Death, Your Choice!)
by AvocadoJake ini would like to relate with the first suicide that took place this year, this was more than seven months ago.
this person was deeply distraught and was talking about killing themself.
the conduct of this person started to escalate (deep depression with morbid thoughts.
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AvocadoJake
Issue at hand, Can the Watchtower trained COs, Elders and Mini-servants provide help for those who are emotionally sick or mentally unstable? The answer is a blatant "No!" since emotional problems and mental disease exist only with Apostates, there is no need to train these men to help. All JWs are the most loving and happy people in the world.