vid - there is no conspiracy theory. but there is facts and hard evidence that cannot be be argued against. where is your source to back up you opinion. Believe it or not, it is what I wrote. I have already done research on these topics a long time ago, and I wrote my research down in book form. You asked for confirmation of what I am saying, and I gave it to you. Are you an idiot, or what?
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37Who is Jehovah
by Jaime l de Aragon inthe term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.
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Who is Jehovah
by Jaime l de Aragon inthe term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.
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Vidqun
*lost*, here's a few extrabiblical uses of the Tetragrammaton. There's many more.
Extrabiblical use of the Tetragrammaton
1) The Tetragrammaton repeatedly appears on the Stele of Mesha`, king of Moab (ca. 900 BCE). This stele contains a text with the oldest Hebrew-Phoenician script ever discovered. This stele is of the utmost importance for linguists because it is the only remaining, historical monument of the Moabite kingdom. It contains an account of the historical relationship between Moab and Israel.... It reveals Moabite as a Semitic dialect, virtually identical with Hebrew, serving as proof of an advanced written language of an insignificant kingdom far removed from the historical routes of the ninth century BCE (see G.R. Driver, Semitic Writing, 1976, p. 109).
The text reads: “I, Mesha, the son of Chemosh-[....], king of Moab, the Dibonite.... Omri, the king of Israel, humiliated Moab for many days.... And I took the utensils of YHWH and dragged them before Chemosh.” (...w'qhh msm '[t k]ly yhwh w'shhb hm lpny kms). Cf. Is. 52:11. It is probably the earliest occurrence of the Tetragrammaton outside the Bible.
2) In the Semitic Museum of Harvard there is an eighth century seal with the inscription lmqnyw `bd.yhwh, “belonging to Miqnejaw, the servant of yhwh”. The name seems to be Levitical (cf. 1 Chron. 15:18, 21); the owner of the seal might have been a priest, serving in the sanctuary.
3) A funerary inscription of Khirbet el-Qôm (ca. 750 BCE), southwest of Lachish, containing the words brk 'wryhw lyhwh “blessed be Urijahu by yhwh.”
4) An inscription in four fragments, found at Kuntillat `Ajrud near the Sinai Peninsula, contains the words hhyb yhwh and the divine name “Ba`al” in Phoenician letters.
5) The Tetragrammaton is freely used in the Lachish Letters (ca. 600 BCE). They consist of 18 ostraca with formulae, containing the Tetragrammaton. The text is written in Old Hebrew characters. One of the ostraca (nr. IV) reads: “May yhwh make my lord hear good news soon (ysm` yhwh 't 'ny s[m]`t slm `t kym `t kym) ....we are on the look-out for fire signals from Lachish....” yr' yhwh 't 'dny 't h`t hzh slm “may yhwh allow my lord to enjoy good health”. The general OT formula hhy yhwh “As yhwh lives!” also appears in these, once with Biblical spelling and once with an eccentric spelling hhyhwh. This form hhyhwh (=hy yhwh) indicates that when two identical letters appear next to each other, they are often written as one (scriptio continua), even when they were part of two separate words, or in case of haplography. The name also occurs in the context ybrk yhwh ’t ’[??] y, an unexplained passage, and possibly also in a badly damaged portion of a text.
6) The Arad archives contains two references to yhwh, the first in an introductory greeting `l 'dny 'lysb yhwh ys'l lslmk (lines 1 - 3), “To my lord Eljashib; may yhwh seek your peace” (lit. “ask after”, probably equivalent to “grant”; cf. 1 Sam.1:28 and a similar formula in Aramaic), the second in lines 7 - 10: wldbr 'sr swtny slm byt yhwh h' ysb, “And as for the matter concerning which you commanded me – it has been settled. In the house of yhwh he remains.”
7) The most difficult of the pre-exilic uses of the Tetragrammaton occurs in some wall inscriptions from Khirbet Beit Lei, a few miles from Lachish. Inscription A, as given by Cross, reads: [']ny yhwh 'lhykh 'rsh `ry yhdh wg'lty yrslm, “I am yhwh, your God, I will accept the cities of Judah and I will redeem Jerusalem”. Cross reads text B as follows: nqh yh 'l hhnn nqh yh yhwh “Absolve [us] O merciful God; forgive [us] yhwh”. Text C reads as follows: hws` yhwh, “Deliver [us] yhwh”.
8) The remaining occurrences are limited to Aramaic texts of Egypt. Two spellings of the divine name occur. yhw (usually in papyri) and yhh (once in a papyrus, otherwise on ostraca). The spelling yh, attested once, is probably the result of the fading of original yhw. Both variations occur in theElephantine Papyri (ca. 500 BCE). These Aramaic documents inform us of “a Jewish military colony” on the island Elephantine on the Nile, opposite Aswan. There existed a temple where the God yhw was worshiped. Two people are mentioned in the text, khny' zy yhw 'lh', “priest of the god yhw”. The term lhhn servant of yhw possibly refers to a religious office.
Thus some 19 occurrences of the Tetragrammaton in the form of yhwh bear witness to the reliability of the MT in this respect; more may be expected, notably from the Arad archives.
9) Variations of the Tetragrammaton occur on coins (especially coins of the Maccabees).
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Who is Jehovah
by Jaime l de Aragon inthe term jehovah was the invention of a catholic monk (raymundus martini) in ad 1202, that name may not appear in scripture, because there existed not until the 12th century, so the jw can not say that appears 7,000 times in scripture, de hecho, in fact, this name is linked with that of demologia and illuminati,.
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Vidqun
I with Villagegirl on this. Too much conspiracy theories cause bad indigestion.
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YHWH v YHVH - yes, V not W
by *lost* ingod's real name and identity yhvh.
yhwh - fraudulent identity.. .
can we all sue wt for evidenced fraud and deliberate deception ??
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Vidqun
*lost*, I'll go for the w rather than the v. Here's a few sources that point to waw, pronounced as w.
Waw (or wâw) : This is the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, being in the shape of a hook. In the Phoenician alphabet, the angle of the hook is even more acute. Waw is frequently used as a vocalic consonant (semi-vocalic consonant: w = û, ü or ou). It corresponds closely with the English w (- double u -) rather than the v (uâu, u = w; e.g., in was, wine; Driver SW 155.178f). This applies to yahwêh, the latter having been vocalized as yahua with an audible h. In compound names it was changed to –yâhû, the final a losing its emphasis, disappearing, and ua becoming û. In early Hebrew waw was pronounced as w. In late Hebrew a w that began a word or syllable changed to y (as in the pe-waw verbs and the verb hayâ itself). See written form yehyâh (=yehwâh) of the first century (cf. yeyâ of the Tiberian Targums) as well as pronunciation yâhyâh (cf. Ia.Ia of Isidore from the 7 th century). [i]
Edward Horowitz confirms that the sound of the letter waw is not v but w, and that waw is the sixth letter of the Greek alphabet (as in Hebrew), later becoming extinct. Jews of Yemen, Arabia, preserving the most pure, accurate, and ancient pronunciation of the Hebrew language, pronounced it as the English w (e.g., was, wine) as in Arabian, a close relative of Hebrew. [ii]
N.B. Pronunciation of above letters would differ in the early consonantal text and the later, vocalized MT. Vowel letters would play an important role in the pronunciation of the CT (up to 200 CE). After full Masoretic vocalization had taken place (from ca. 700 - 1100 CE) the vowel letters would lose their significance.
[i] F. Dietrich, in a letter to F. Delitzsch. See ZAW 1883-4, pp. 2 80, 293, 298.
[ii] E . Horowitz, How the Hebrew Language Grew, 1960 edition, pp. 29, 30.
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The 24 Elders in Revelation are NOT the anointed......
by EndofMysteries intoday i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
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Vidqun
*lost*, sorry, I didn't follow the thread as I should have. I jumped in quite late. Nevertheless, your guess is as good as mine. There just isn't enough information to go on to come to a definite conclusion. Hopefully we will find out one day.
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The 24 Elders in Revelation are NOT the anointed......
by EndofMysteries intoday i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
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Vidqun
I thought listing candidates for the 24 elders would be presumptuous, to say the least. But perhaps I misunderstood. By the way, I posted you an article on the aging-thread to show that sperm also deteriorate with age.
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The 24 Elders in Revelation are NOT the anointed......
by EndofMysteries intoday i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
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Vidqun
*lost*, luckily we do not decide who is worthy. Let us not steep as low as the WT GB and elders to start judging. That would be Jesus' job. They are supposed to supply the domestics with food, and only food.
I was never any good at Maths, so I sit this round out.
Bobcat, here's an interesting reference to Is. 24:21-23, especially v. 23:
The two passages Ex. 24[:1, 9] and Nu. 11[:16, 24] exerted considerable influence on other parts of the Bible and on Jewish exegesis. In obvious dependence on Ex. 24:9 f. the late apc. in Is., depicting world judgment and the manifestation of the coming kingdom of Yahweh on Zion and in Jerusalem, closes with the words: “And before his elders is glory,” Is. 24:23. The passage is a first example of the way in which apocalyptic likes to base its eschatological visions on sacred texts, so that it is itself to a large extent exegesis. In relation to Is. 24:23, Rev. 4 follows the same pattern in its vision of the 24 elders before the throne of God, → 668, 9 ff. In Rabb. exegesis, too, Ex. 24 along with Is. 24 plays an important part, though now with the particular intention of bringing out the special honour of the elders both then and in the future world. Cf. Sifre Numeri. Nu . , 92 on 11:16: “Not (just) in one place and not (just) in two does God give honour to the elders. But in every place where you find ‘elders,’ God gives honour to the elders.”
Nu. 11:16 f ., 24 f. offers a model for the Sanhedrin and the number of its members, → 659, 18 ff. It also offers scriptural support for Rabb. ordination. The early Chr. church could also turn sometimes to this passage at the institution of presbyters.[1]
S. Nu. Sifre Numeri, Tannaitic Midrash on Numbers (Strack, Einl., 201), ed. H. G. Horovitz, 1917.
Rabb. Rabbis,
[1] . Vol. 6: Theological dictionary of the New Testament. 1964- (G. Kittel, G. W. Bromiley & G. Friedrich, Ed.) (electronic ed.) (p. 656). Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans.
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Brilliant Article On Aging
by metatron inhttp://www.anti-agingfirewalls.com/2013/04/19/autophagy-the-housekeeper-in-every-cell-that-fights-aging-2/.
the above relates to one my interests, fighting the aging process (i've seen it and decided not to participate).
the really cool thing is that it ties together nearly every successful anti-aging intervention into one biological process.
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Vidqun
*lost*, here's an interesting article on the deterioration of sperm with old age. The advice of the one that did the experiments. Bottom line: Do not delay having children. "There are consequences of delaying fatherhood."
National Geographic News: Men Have Biological Clocks Too, Sperm Study Says
In the study, Wyrobek, Eskenzai, and colleagues examined the genetic quality of sperm from 97 healthy, nonsmoking men between the ages of 22 and 80. The men were current and retired employees of the Livermore laboratory.
The study sample included at least 15 men from each ten-year period from 20 to 60 years of age and 25 men 60 to 80 years old.
In earlier research on the same sperm samples, the team found that sperm count, mobility, and the ability of sperm to move in a straight line declines with age. The new research shows that mobility has a high correlation with DNA fragmentation.
The new study also found that men face increased risk of fathering children with achondroplasia, a genetic mutation that causes a form of dwarfism.
The condition stunts bone growth; affected individuals have short arms and legs and grow to only about 4 feet (1.2 meters) tall.
As women grow older, they are more likely to give birth to a baby with Down syndrome. Not so for men, apparently.
However, the study found no general correlation among male age and chromosome changes that cause Down syndrome.
Even so, 4 of the 97 men were at increased risk for transmitting multiple genetic and chromosomal defects, according to the results. Age may have nothing to do with these subjects' condition, though; one was in his 20s and three were over 60.
Interestingly, Wyrobek added, the sperm in the Lawrence Livermore sample showed no increase with age in Apert syndrome, a disfiguring birth defect.
However, the likelihood of fathering a child with Apert increased with age in men from inner-city Baltimore, Maryland, tested by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Medical Center for a different study.
Wyrobek cautioned against reading too much into the Baltimore study group's results, since they were all from men who lived in the same area.
"There're other things going on besides age. … It could be socioeconomic, or diet, or ethnicity."
Further studies, he added, will examine the Apert syndrome factor in greater detail.
Don't Panic
Craig Niederberger is a urologist at the University of Illinois in Chicago. He said the research findings are interesting and warrant further study. But he cautioned that the technique used to test the DNA of sperm is new and controversial.
"Older men should not yet be concerned about fathering children. The evidence is still inconclusive," he said.
According to Niederberger, who is president of the Society for Male Reproduction and Urology, researchers need to examine the integrity of sperm DNA with other methods before sounding alarms about male infertility.
Nevertheless, he said, the finding that a genetic mutation that leads to dwarfism increases with age is cause for "some concern. We ought to pursue it."
Wyrobek said the research raises more questions than answers. But it suggests certain kinds of DNA damage and genetic defects go up with age.
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The 24 Elders in Revelation are NOT the anointed......
by EndofMysteries intoday i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
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Vidqun
Bobcat, I think you're on the right track. I will not rule out that it could be resurrected humans, the information is somewhat scanty. But here's what TDNT has to say, along the lines of what you are suggesting. They seem to be God's council of elders. The fact that they do not participate in the judicial process in the book of Revelation doesn't mean much. It could be that we do not have all the information:
4. The 24 πρεσβ?τεροι in Revelation. Special problems are raised by the passages in Rev. in which, in the visions of the divine, 24 elders surround the throne of God in heaven along with the four beasts, 4:4, 10; 5:6, 8, 11, 14; 7:11; 11:16; 14:3; 19:4. 99 The thrones on which they sit (4:4; 11:16), the white robes and the crowns which adorn them (4:4), show that they are heavenly beings, and the title πρεσβ?τεροι suggests that they are God’s council of elders. Yet there is no mention of God sitting in council with them nor do they seem to discharge a judicial office, cf. 20:4. Their function is not the exercising of their own dominion; it is simply adoration of the majesty of Him who sits on the throne (4:10; 19:4) and of the exalted Lamb (5:8–10) → θρ?νος , III, 165, 21 ff. They sink to the ground, offer worship, and cast down their crowns before the throne of the eternal and omnipotent God (4:10) with songs of praise (4:11; 5:9 f.; 11:17 f.; 19:4 etc.). According to 5:8 they offer priestly ministry for the earthly community with harps and golden vials. Their divine service in heaven accompanies the events of redemption and judgment on earth, which the elders inaugurate and conclude with gesture and song.
There is no suggestion that these elders are redeemed and transfigured men. 100 They are plainly differentiated from the transfigured, 7 and 14. They are also distinguished from the angelic hosts (5:11; 7:11) which surround the throne, the four beasts and the 24 elders. But they are so only as a higher class of angels which is closer to the throne of God than the others and which is entrusted in a peculiar way with His secrets. “One of the elders” functions as angelus interpres (5:5; 7:13) and the seer addresses him by the title of majesty, κ?ριος , 7:14. See TDNT, vol. VI, p. 668.
99 Cf. Michl, who carefully surveys the history of interpretation.
100 The thesis of Michl, 91–114 that the elders are the righteous of the old covenant viewed as the heavenly presbyters of the Chr. people seems to me to be quite untenable.
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The 24 Elders in Revelation are NOT the anointed......
by EndofMysteries intoday i just thought of this.
i had written a thread about the false teaching of the anointed being resurrected already.
anyway, the wt assumes the 24 elders in revelation are the 144,000, and the assumption is merely because both sit on thrones.
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Vidqun
Haven't researched it yet, but can the 24 elders not be the leaders of the 144000. If I remember correctly, each division of Israel had a leader called an elder which had to report to Moses. So each elder would lead a division of 6000 (24 x 6000 = 144000). Interestingly, the tribes in Revelation are divided into 12000 each. So there would be two elders per tribe (Rev. 7). But then they would have to be separate from the 144000 as Bobcat indicates. They have crowns and sit on throwns. Certainly Jesus' apostle would be amongst them. Just a thought.