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  Bible Writers not just ignorant "goat herders"

  by applehippie in

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  really, the bible was written by nothin' but goat herders?

  i don't post much but this does irk me.

  yes a few may have been shepherds or fisherman, but a fair amount were far more educated and were professionals in their fields of occupation.

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  Vidqun

  Phizzy, the Bible is not a scientific textbook or history book and has never claimed to be so.
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  Bible Writers not just ignorant "goat herders"

  by applehippie in

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  really, the bible was written by nothin' but goat herders?

  i don't post much but this does irk me.

  yes a few may have been shepherds or fisherman, but a fair amount were far more educated and were professionals in their fields of occupation.

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  Comatose, be thankful for those warmongering pillagers and rapists of days gone by. Without them and their contribution, we might not have been here. At least we know many of them could read and write. Actually they invented alphabetical writing, grammar, and linguistics. Here's a few of their ramblings:

  He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing; (Job 26:7 NWT)

  He has described a circle upon the face of the waters, To where light ends in darkness. (Job 26:10 NWT)

  As for the earth, out of it food goes forth; But underneath it, it has been upturned as if by fire. (Job 28:5 NWT)

  All the winter torrents are going forth to the sea, yet the sea itself is not full. To the place where the winter torrents are going forth, there they are returning so as to go forth. (Ecc 1:7 NWT)

  Not bad for a lot of ignoramuses and goatherders.
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  Bible Writers not just ignorant "goat herders"

  by applehippie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  really, the bible was written by nothin' but goat herders?

  i don't post much but this does irk me.

  yes a few may have been shepherds or fisherman, but a fair amount were far more educated and were professionals in their fields of occupation.

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  Yes, interesting that the stuff of goatherders is studied at colleges and universities. Hundreds and thousands of books and articles are written on a variety of subjects, connected to what they have written. Shows you how ignorant man is.
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  Governing Body on a roll, claiming more territory in spiritual paradise?

  by prologos in

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  as reported from a recent co visit talk: .

  the man with the inkhorn is picturing the governing body, who has the task of marking people for salvation ezek.

  9:2,4.. it used to be christ's brothers, the remnant, the anointed, and you better help them* or be a goat as per the math:25 judgement.

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  Vidqun

  If God prefers the hypocritical GB and their unrighteousness above me, then I deserve to die. Just think, living forever under their expert guidance. No, rather die here and now. But somehow I think they are reaching out for that pie in the sky. Hopefully they'll get some egg on their faces.
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  JWs Most Feared Bible Verse

  by JCISGOD98 in

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  the jehovah witnesses most feared bible verse.

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  Vidqun

  Recently, I have noticed that there are two words, rather than verses, that JWs do not like: 1) Banner, flag, ensign; 2) Spirit in connection with a human.

  1) The Hebrew word for “banner” or “flag” they translate as “three-tribe division,” which is rather unique. I really don’t know where they got that from. Why this irregular paraphrase? Oh yes, because they believe flags are evil and from the Devil, reasoning that the Israelites would never have flags or banners.

  E.g., And the sons of Israel must encamp each with reference to his camp, and each man by his [three-tribe] division by their armies. (Num 1:52 NWT)

  How was the three-tribe division indicated? By banner or flag, of course.

  2) Spirit is an interesting one. The Biblical references do not agree with their interpretation of “spirit” so they change the wording, paraphrasing it so that it agrees with their interpretation.

  E.g., Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit itself returns to the [true] God who gave it (Ecc 12:7 NWT).

  This is the Biblical explanation of what happens when you die. JWs insist this is the life force or breath that dissipates, but the Scriptures say differently.

  Again Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and ceased to breathe [Footnote: “yielded up his breath”] (Mat 27:50 NWT1960).

  Again Jesus cried out with a loud voice, and yielded up [his] spirit (Mat 27:50 NWT1984). The were critizised for this one and had to change it.

  22 But YOU have approached a Mount Zion and a city of [the] living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels,

  23 in general assembly, and the congregation of the firstborn who have been enrolled in the heavens, and God the Judge of all, and the spiritual lives of righteous ones who have been made perfect, [Footnote: Literally “(the) spirits”] (Heb 12:22-23 NWT).

  6 And he said to me, These words are faithful and true; yes, Jehovah the God of the inspired expressions [lit. “the spirits”] of the prophets sent his angel forth to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place (Rev 22:6 NWT).

  JWs insist the NWT is a LITERAL translation. Why all the paraphrase? Because it clashes with their doctrines.
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  Do any of you know of a religion that does not believe in the Trinoity?

  by orbison11 in

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  i have such internal conflict on the trinity,,,i do not believe it,,,i dont know if it is jw brainwashing.

  or if logically thinking applies here.

  help :).

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  Vidqun

  Thanks Barry, I didn't know that. That's probably where Russel got his ideas from, like many others.
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  Do any of you know of a religion that does not believe in the Trinoity?

  by orbison11 in

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  i have such internal conflict on the trinity,,,i do not believe it,,,i dont know if it is jw brainwashing.

  or if logically thinking applies here.

  help :).

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  Vidqun

  The Muslims, JWs, the Jews, and I'm not sure about the Unitarian Church. Webster says they do not believe in the Trinity. You'll have to make a list of the pros and cons, for and against, and decide for yourself. There's a few interesting books on the origin of monotheism on Amazon. Its development was unusual because of the majority of nations being polytheistic. Amongst the Egyptians, it was only Akhenathon that would introduce the concept to his people.

  Interestingly, the Jews had many religions, quite a few of them including a trinity. Yahwistic worship became the state religion, so the others were suppressed, but they kept on existing, especially amongst the northern Israelites. The southerners had Jerusalem and the temple, but even some of their kings deviated.
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  ambition is not a dirty word

  by snare&racket in

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  i can't decide if it is based on jealousy, class or the watchtower.

  that shameful cult turned the word ambition into a dirty word.

  it made the idea of self reliance and self worth a tainted thing.

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  Congrats Snare! Today ambition = survival. If you don't cultivate it, you're going to struggle to survive. Interestingly, the WT does use ambitious people when it suits them. At the assmblies they ask for registered nurses, doctors, etc. This is hypocrisy at its worst, and I hate hypocrites.
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  Newby here

  by 1009 in

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  i am new here and briefly want to introduce myself.. my name is michel and i am from the netherlands.

  became baptized when i was 14, started pioneering when i got 18 and i've been ms for a number of years.

  i married another pioneer and after a while we joined a foreign language congregation.

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  Vidqun

  Welcome 1009. I also love the Bible, also have many translations and commentaries. And there's nothing wrong with the (young) human body in all its glory. For those of us that believe in God, the female form is a magnificent creation. Nothing wrong with us showing our appreciation. Looking forward to hear your opinions and views. Glad to hear you have found a woman that's compatible with you and your situation. I have tried marriage, but was not very successful.
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  The truth just ain't the same any more.

  by Julia Orwell in

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  this has been the sentiment of a few i know who have been full jws for decades.

  they say the love is not there like it used to be, and it's become less personal.. anyone heard similar comments from oldies?.

  we know the 'truth' ain't the truth in the first place, but i have a feeling there may be a lot of older ones hanging on just because it's all they've ever known, and it the alternative, that there is no paradise around the corner like they've always been taught us unthinkable..

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  I think canning the Book Study also had something to do with it. Big mistake!