Eden, a final bit of criticism on your interpretation. I see you explain the four heads of the third beast as the Diadochi. So far I agree. But what would be unusual is for one of the four heads of the third beast, the Seleucids, to become the fourth beast. This is an unprecedented development, certainly the exception to the rule. Each of the previous beasts would represent a new nation(s). That's another reason why I prefer the natural progression of the beasts to be Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and lastly Rome.
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23Daniel Chapter 7 - Commentary - NEW ARTICLE
by EdenOne ini've just published a new article on my website.. it's called: "daniel and the future of the 'saints of the most holy' - a commentary on daniel chapter 7".
i'd like to draw your attention in particular to the identity of the fourth beast since i depart clearly from the more or less consensual explanation that is about rome and the antichrist.
i won't waste time with that it isn't, though, and focus on what it is.
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What happened to Rolf Furuli?
by Vidqun inrolf seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth.
he is not active on b-hebrew or other message boards anymore.
i wrote to him with a query, and has not heard a thing.
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Dr. Furuli is again up and about, debating with his peers at b-Hebrew. For a few months he pushed his take on the Hebrew verb, but not many of his peers are too keen on his purely linguistic analyses, which is subjective to an extreme degree. Last discussion (June) centered round the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. They seemed to agree that pursuing the pronounciation of the Tetragrammaton is futile. Although the Tetragrammaton often appears in the DSS, the tendency already existed for the scribes to replace it with Adonai. G. Gertoux's book came under the spotlight, as well as the views of N. Gordon. Both go for a pronuncation similar to modernday "Jehovah." For those interested, check out the archives at b-Hebrew.
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Know your place..
by The Quiet One inthis weeks watchtower study contains an image that depicts the hierarchy of the org, with the picture showing god and the angels, followed by the governing body directly underneath heaven.. and the rest descending further away from it.. (check the following link, my description isn't the best.
) "the earthly part of jehovahs organization includes: 1.the governing body 2.branch committees 3.travelling overseers 4.bodies of elders 5.congregations 6.individual publishers very subtle.. http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20130415/do-not-tire-out/.
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Vidqun
Where's Jesus, the head of the congregation?
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Daniel Chapter 7 - Commentary - NEW ARTICLE
by EdenOne ini've just published a new article on my website.. it's called: "daniel and the future of the 'saints of the most holy' - a commentary on daniel chapter 7".
i'd like to draw your attention in particular to the identity of the fourth beast since i depart clearly from the more or less consensual explanation that is about rome and the antichrist.
i won't waste time with that it isn't, though, and focus on what it is.
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Eden, Daniel refers to Israel as "the beautiful land," (= "land of the Decoration," NW, see Dan. 8:9; 11:16, 41, 45), not as "the whole earth."
Of all the nations of that time, Rome would utilize iron more than any before. Archaeologists call the period "the middle iron age." Rome made extensive use of iron whereas some of the older nations such as the Greek City states were still advancing from Bronze weapons. This is why they got beaten. The superiority of Roman weapons and tactics would subdue "all the inhabited earth."
This is what the Keil-Delitzsch Commentary had to say:
Dan. 7:23. Fourth kingdom. Daniel receives the following explanation regarding the fourth beast. It signifies a fourth kingdom, which would be different from all the preceding, and would eat up and destroy the whole earth. “The whole earth is the ο?κουμ?νη ,” the expression, without any hyperbole, for the whole circle of historical nations.
These four kingdoms are the Babylonian, the Medo-Persian, the Macedo-Grecian, and the Roman. This was an opinion held by Josephus (Ant. 10.10.4 §209). He viewed the third layer coming from the west, identifying it with Greece, so that the fourth should be Rome. This was also the conclusion reached by Martin Luther: “In this interpretation and opinion,” he observes, “all the world are agreed, and history and fact abundantly establish it.” This would be the case, until the end of the nineteenth century.
The relation of the world-kingdoms to the kingdom and people of God, represented by the gradation of the metals, correspond only to the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Macedo-Grecian, and Roman world-kingdoms, but not to the Babylonian, Median, and Persian. First the Roman kingdom spread its power and dominion over the whole ο?κουμ?νη , over all the historical nations of antiquity in Europe, Africa, and Asia. “There is” (says Herodian, ii. 11. 7) “no part of the earth and no region of the heavens whither the Romans have not extended their dominion.”
Still more the prophecy of Daniel reminds us of the comparison of the Roman world-kingdom with the ear lier world-kingdoms, the Assyri o-Baylonian, the Persian, and the Macedo- Grecian, in Dionys. Halicar., when in the proaem. 9 he says: “There are the most famous kingdoms down to our time, and this their duration and power. But the kingdom of the Romans ruled through all the regions of the earth which are accessible, inhabited by men; it ruled also over the whole sea, and it alone and first made the eas t and the west its boundaries.”
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What if a brother ask you if the big A comes, would YOU repent?
by Iamallcool inhow would you answer him?
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I will repent from having been a gullible, trusting fool, for allowing the GB to think for me (that is actually unforgivable, one should think for oneself and exercise one's own conscience), and for eating up all the lies dished up by them.
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Daniel Chapter 7 - Commentary - NEW ARTICLE
by EdenOne ini've just published a new article on my website.. it's called: "daniel and the future of the 'saints of the most holy' - a commentary on daniel chapter 7".
i'd like to draw your attention in particular to the identity of the fourth beast since i depart clearly from the more or less consensual explanation that is about rome and the antichrist.
i won't waste time with that it isn't, though, and focus on what it is.
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Good question, Jhine. I believe the two visions, Dan. 2 & 7 are closely related.
Eden, how would you interpret Dan. 7:23. I don't think the Seleucid Empire qualifies.
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Woman with ... Immortal Cells
by *lost* ini came across this form ...'' in science we trust''.
henrietta lacks, had immortal cells.
meaning they don't die like normal cells.
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Vidqun
Google HeLa cells.
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Their name will be their downfall.....
by snare&racket inthe bible is written in classical hebrew (there are many other types and older types).
yhwh is a classical hebrew sentence that roughly means 'he wills it, and it happens'.
the hebrew language has such mechanisms for saying things in a shortened form, much like today cpr, rsvp, vip etc..... adonai is also classical hebrew, but its a word.... it means 'lord' and 'master'.. .
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If anybody is interested in the article, "The Pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton from a Historico-Linguistic Perspective," PM me with an e-mail address and I'll send it to you. As to the different pronunciations, it levels the playing field somewhat.
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Murmuring at the District Covention
by breakfast of champions inokay, i just think its kind of funny, but it's also pretty telling as well.
all of my wife's family are pretty deep into the "truth", but they don't mind speaking up either.. here's some of their (not my) comments:.
saturday was waayyyyy to long.
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Vidqun
The end is a stone's throw away. Hell of a stone and hell of a throw.
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What's Your Favorite "No JWs Or Peddlers" Sign or Bump-sticker, Here's Some!
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NO DOGS OR JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ALLOWED.