Posts by Vidqun

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Help With The Societys View Of Jesus Ransom Applying Only To The Annointed.

by AvocadoJake in

i have read bits and pieces about the wt saying jesus ransom sacrifice only applies to the annointed.

the annointed in turn, will be mediators between earth dwellers and jesus christ to jehovah.

to get to jehovah, we know we must approach him in jesus christ name, when did the gb become the middle men between jesus christ and those who think they will be living on the earth.

Vidqun

Meni, enjoyed those scriptures, especially those in Is. and Zech. And I can see that humility is an essential ingredient "for your eyes to be opened". Interesting that the anointed would gradually deteriorate. I agree, the anointed on earth today are certainly damaged goods, imperfect, part of the dregs of humanity that has to face the time of the end.

What do you think of Is. 19:18? Five Canaanite-speaking cities in the land of Egypt swearing by God's name (cf. Dan. 11:41 Canaanites to escape, Egypt - the world - will not escape). One of the cities is called "City of tearing down". I gather from this that God's people (as a group) will be disbanded, later to be built up again (Jer. 1:10; 2 Cor. 10:4,5; cf. Amos 9:11, 12). On the other hand, the anointed will be purified (perhaps by persecution, even dying?). Then they will be called City of Rigteousness, Faitful Town, after being resurrected to eternal glory (cf. Is. 1:25-27). Any thoughts on the matter?

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USA/Australian alliance could not defeat China in World War 3...agree?

by Witness 007 in

china has protested president obama's plan for increased usa military in northern australia this week.

i was just thinking, the usa is bankrupt and china has all the cash...not to mention 1 billion people!!!

if war broke out we would be totally screwed!

Vidqun

USA and allies are fighting an economic war against China and her followers. It is a war that they cannot win. The IMF predicted China will be the no. 1 economy in the world in 2015. See Dan. 11:40-45 holds the key: King of the North = Communist China, Russia and their followers. King of the South = USA, UK and their allies, i.e., the West. Land of Egypt = the world. Libya = Arab nations. Cushites = African nations. Ammon, Edom, and Moab = those spiritually related to the anointed remnant. Beautiful land = spiritual domain of anointed remnant.

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What happened to Rolf Furuli?

by Vidqun in

rolf seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth.

he is not active on b-hebrew or other message boards anymore.

i wrote to him with a query, and has not heard a thing.

Vidqun

Londo, just a thought. A JW is taught that spiritual food comes from "the faithful and discreet slave". In this case Elijah (or, the Elijah-class, referring to the anointed) is fed by unclean birds, ravens. Perhaps we, as "ravens" (in their eyes apostates or "unclean people"), can teach them a thing or two.

Here I think specifically of them being an NGO of the UN for ten years. According to their standards and teaching, they have joined "the disgusting thing causing desolation", and become part of "the beast ascending from the abyss". If you sell your birthright for a pot of lentil stew (a library card), you should expect God's displeasure.

Interestingly, they did not ask forgiveness, repent or turn around from their bad course, something you and I would have to do to be reinstated after wrongdoing and/or disfellowshipping. So their sin remains, until they repent. Perhaps a long shot, but nevertheless an interesting thought.

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Help With The Societys View Of Jesus Ransom Applying Only To The Annointed.

by AvocadoJake in

i have read bits and pieces about the wt saying jesus ransom sacrifice only applies to the annointed.

the annointed in turn, will be mediators between earth dwellers and jesus christ to jehovah.

to get to jehovah, we know we must approach him in jesus christ name, when did the gb become the middle men between jesus christ and those who think they will be living on the earth.

Vidqun

Designs, to quote Michael Jackson, "I'm bad, I'm bad...." So, no, I'm not one of the anointed. They might have to come and execute me. God would have told me if I was one of the anointed. But I do believe I'm of the raven-class. To explain that, please read 1 Kings 17:2-4. There it says that there will come a time that the ravens will bring food to the Elijah-class, i.e., the anointed.

Meni, I agree with you. I have done in depth study of Daniel, so I do believe that God has guided me to these conclusions in an indirect way. Why me, I really don't know. Because I have always been a free thinker and a bit of a rebel. I have written two books on the subject. The one on Dan. 11:40-45 startled me, to say the least. Although studious, I was always an average Joe, and out comes this lot. My e-mail is [email protected] so if you send me an e-mail address, I'll send you a Pdf of it. The US-Australia thing fits perfectly with the "thesis". It is in four parts: 1) Commentary; 2) Quick Reference Guide; 3) Supporting (news) articles; 4) 7 Technical Excurses.

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Help With The Societys View Of Jesus Ransom Applying Only To The Annointed.

by AvocadoJake in

i have read bits and pieces about the wt saying jesus ransom sacrifice only applies to the annointed.

the annointed in turn, will be mediators between earth dwellers and jesus christ to jehovah.

to get to jehovah, we know we must approach him in jesus christ name, when did the gb become the middle men between jesus christ and those who think they will be living on the earth.

Vidqun

Again for those that believe in the Bible. The anointed should be willing to sacrifice a lot of things, ultimately their lives. Those of the anointed that are alive today are especially a target of Satan and his hordes. This comes through clearly in the Scripture, starting with Ezek. 38, 39, where Gog and Magog will attack God's people, residing on "the mountains of Israel". The big horn as well as the small horn or fierce king make war and decimate God's people (cf. Dan. 7:20-22; 8:23, 24). Next is Dan. 11:40-45, 12:7, where the final King of the North will invade "the beautiful land". There he will remain until his demise. Especially graphic is Zechariah (13:8-14:5), indicating that most of the anointed will be killed and "Jerusalem" occupied. Even the tribe of Judah will attack this "Jerusalem" (cf. Zech. 12:2-5; 14:3, 14). Last but not least is the book of Revelation (11:7) where the beast from the abyss is going to kill the two witnesses. Then they will be resurrected to receive their ultimate reward, and come back and wreak vengeance on their persecutors (cf. Rev. 17:14). So the path of the anointed is not an easy one, certainly not for the faint-hearted.

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Help With The Societys View Of Jesus Ransom Applying Only To The Annointed.

by AvocadoJake in

i have read bits and pieces about the wt saying jesus ransom sacrifice only applies to the annointed.

the annointed in turn, will be mediators between earth dwellers and jesus christ to jehovah.

to get to jehovah, we know we must approach him in jesus christ name, when did the gb become the middle men between jesus christ and those who think they will be living on the earth.

Vidqun

1 John 2:2 is a good scripture to use. Talking of Jesus: "He is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only [i.e., John and his fellow brethern] but also for the whole world's [i.e., the rest of us]." That's for those that believe in the Bible.

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What happened to Rolf Furuli?

by Vidqun in

rolf seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth.

he is not active on b-hebrew or other message boards anymore.

i wrote to him with a query, and has not heard a thing.

Vidqun

Londo, that's also the direction I'm thinking. If that is the case, it would open interesting possibilities. Interesting scripture at 1 Kings 17:2-4:

The word of Jehovah now came to him, saying: “Go away from here and you must turn your way eastward and conceal yourself at the torrent valley of Cherith that is east of the Jordan. And it must occur that from the torrent valley you should drink, and the ravens I shall certainly command to supply you food there.”

According to the type anti-type analogies found in the earlier literature (ascribed to Fred Franz?), this one makes for interesting reading. Here we have the raven, an unclean bird according to the Law, bringing food to the prophet Elijah, i.e., the Elijah-class. Now that's the other way round. But one will have to be humble to be able to take food from the raven. Perhaps this is the year of the raven?

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What happened to Rolf Furuli?

by Vidqun in

rolf seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth.

he is not active on b-hebrew or other message boards anymore.

i wrote to him with a query, and has not heard a thing.

Vidqun

Thanks Lars and Augustin. I get the impression he's keeping a low profile. If only there were more Witnesses like him, things would not have stagnated as they did. I often reminded the Society, one cannot keep the Westcot & Hort text (1881) as a basis for the CGS. A lot of things have happened since then, especially the discovery of the papyri. And the same goes for the HAS. Many Biblical MSS have cropped up amongst the DSS, shedding light on the Proto-Masoretic text. Bibles, like NET and ESV, incorporate these new findings in their text or footnotes. The NWT underwent a revision in 1984. A lot has happened since then. But seeing that they don't encourage secular studies, it's not surprising. The few bright flames there were, were either quashed or suppressed. No scholars, no research, only deterioration and stagnation....

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What happened to Rolf Furuli?

by Vidqun in

rolf seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth.

he is not active on b-hebrew or other message boards anymore.

i wrote to him with a query, and has not heard a thing.

Vidqun

Rolf seems to have disappeared from the face of the earth. He is not active on b-Hebrew or other message boards anymore. I wrote to him with a query, and has not heard a thing. I read somewhere that he has retired, or was he sanctioned after the Awatu-incident on b-Hebrew? I respect Rolf as a person and as a scholar (one of the few JW scholars). I do not agree with him on his interpretation of the Hebrew tenses, but that's not important. If anyone can shed light on this, I would appreciate it.

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The Prodigal son...rejected.

by Londo111 in

i was a third generation witness, a ministerial servant twice in my life, a failed pioneer (i only made it six months).

when the article about higher education come out, my family finally decided it was okay for me to get a two year degree.

and that enabled me to provide for myself--before that is was impossible.

Vidqun

I would never, never call in the elders for anything. What do they know? Why would they care? Once bitten, twice shy. If you have a problem, see a doctor, psychologist or psychiatrist. These people are trained. Most of them know what they are talking about. I soon realized, if this is what "the new system" is going to be all about (God forbid!), I would have none of it. I sympathize with the friends and family thing. That's the biggest problem to overcome, because these are supposed to be one's support group. Blood is thicker than water.