I have read bits and pieces about the WT saying Jesus ransom sacrifice only applies to the annointed. The annointed in turn, will be mediators between earth dwellers and Jesus Christ to Jehovah. To get to Jehovah, we know we must approach him in Jesus Christ name, when did the GB become the middle men between Jesus Christ and those who think they will be living on the earth. What is the basis for the GB's tinkering with the New Testament, moving our Saviour further away from us. This subject makes my heart sink, moving the Kingdom of God. If Russell had issues with his second adventist (Barbour) friend about the "Ransom." how would he feel today, this multi-level marketing system of Jesus Christ's simple words. Peace to all you!
Help With The Societys View Of Jesus Ransom Applying Only To The Annointed.
by AvocadoJake 36 Replies latest watchtower bible
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designs
Jake-
The Watchtower view is very similar to the Lutheran, Presbyterian and Catholic views. Don't get your knickers in a twist over it.
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cyberjesus
im offended. im in multi level marketing.... dont bring jesus into the equation
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Vidqun
1 John 2:2 is a good scripture to use. Talking of Jesus: "He is a propitiatory sacrifice for our sins, yet not for ours only [i.e., John and his fellow brethern] but also for the whole world's [i.e., the rest of us]." That's for those that believe in the Bible.
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designs
Vid- That's for those who buy into the New Testament version of things.
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meni
It is not true, Of course the ransom applies to all people who avail themselves of it, The bible is a many layered cake. Many years ago you had to earn annointing by faithfull service up to your old age, and then you were possibly a regraph. at someone who failed's expense The expression was used , Do you think Jehovah would call someone without many years of Faithfull service? This is nonsense as it undermined that it is undeserved kindness with a purpose for the one called. When someone called, conquers their particular sinfullness and wins the race as Paul did,they take with them the skills and experience also empathy to be able to really help persons who survive and the resurrected in the 1000years. John was a son of thunder ,quick to act with judgement and yet at Patmos he had clearly conquered, Paul had been witness to Stephens death and it seems his eyes ,the very instruments were to be his thorn of discipline and he conquered. Would they understand the problems associated with our generation now? No they would find it hard to relate , and so Jah in his wisdom has called horses for courses. In no way to be between Jesus and Jehovah now in these days. the purpose of a priest is to teach (Malachi 2v7) from a cirumcised heart,
There are 12 tribes of priestly class whose job is futuristic (1000 years) They are exactly the same as you,except for a need of experience, so that in a way similar to Jesus christ (hebrews12) they are disciplined and enter into the Sabbath their baptism is into his death (romans6). So then someone may be called , (romans ch8) he or she may be of the tribe of Reuban (sexually challenged) Or Simeon or Levi (challenged by cruelty, hardness ) Issachar challenged between the ears,. The token is given and the fight to conquer begins in earnest,that person has the spirit in measure to help at all times with regard to failures they can lose the spirit and regain it by the ransom application.It is like the thummin and the urim ,a yes or a no on matters of direction .The fear of god really is the fear of losing his favour or direction (Isaiah 58 v8 ,11) Jesus being perfect only lost it once on the stake and cried out in despair as the spirit was removed for him to fullfill the law and die a curse for us, Those with the hope of the 37th Psalm are in the same situation as those with a heavenly purpose , It is holy spirit from heaven which is mt Zion in the 133 psalm it runs down Aaron's beard( the priestly class )down to the collar of the garment of the priest, (Zechariah 8 v23) where you receive it. Its the same holy spirit received by both,the fact that it comes to the priest first is not to elevate them in any way , in fact by receiving food this way they can make sure they are still in harmony with Jersulem above or in another sense Ezekiels chariot , which is always forward ahead of the earth. it is for encouragement for the bride who have a different cup to drink, Jesus christ alone stands as your mediator and you can recieve the holy spirit in measure the same . The society is a utility with purpose and can be disciplined as is needed .it has been and will be,everyone will in these days.
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Vidqun
Again for those that believe in the Bible. The anointed should be willing to sacrifice a lot of things, ultimately their lives. Those of the anointed that are alive today are especially a target of Satan and his hordes. This comes through clearly in the Scripture, starting with Ezek. 38, 39, where Gog and Magog will attack God's people, residing on "the mountains of Israel". The big horn as well as the small horn or fierce king make war and decimate God's people (cf. Dan. 7:20-22; 8:23, 24). Next is Dan. 11:40-45, 12:7, where the final King of the North will invade "the beautiful land". There he will remain until his demise. Especially graphic is Zechariah (13:8-14:5), indicating that most of the anointed will be killed and "Jerusalem" occupied. Even the tribe of Judah will attack this "Jerusalem" (cf. Zech. 12:2-5; 14:3, 14). Last but not least is the book of Revelation (11:7) where the beast from the abyss is going to kill the two witnesses. Then they will be resurrected to receive their ultimate reward, and come back and wreak vengeance on their persecutors (cf. Rev. 17:14). So the path of the anointed is not an easy one, certainly not for the faint-hearted.
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Ding
In WT theology, everything is for the 144,000. The other sheep just get the residual benefits. Despite this, the GB neither knows nor cares who the 144,000 are. I really question whether the GB believe their own doctrines themselves.
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designs
Vid- Are you one of the 'anointed' are you coming back to 'wreck vengence' on your persecutors?
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meni
The pushing of the King of the South with the King of the North is taken a step forward today in Australia , with one Political commentator expressing the belief that America was in fact pushing China by it announcing on 11/11/2011that it would stage 2500 troops in the North of Australia, not unlike the pushing already done in Middle East countries like Libya etc etc China has invested greatly in Australia (agriculture, Mining resources and power , It is offended and has told Australia , as has Indonesia , The commentator said no doubt China would be pushing back and used the expression in Dan ch11 v40 Hes probably an atheist like our Prime Minister , so it is a time to stand up and be awake .Whilst these two kings are talking smoothly to each other they are not so hesitant with those countries such as Australia , It is inconceivable that Australia would offend our greatest trading partner who has kept us reasonably free of the worlds economical problems. There is a reason Job was described as a son of hostility, you are right with regard to the cup the annointed will drink shortly the great crowd has inadvertly prepared them with much fire , hopefully gold and silver will prevail as Ezra showed that it would be with Jehovahs protection now that the temple would be completed .A drink offering is to be expected. Habbakuk ch 1 v1to11 ch2 v1 Every christian now will have the opportunity to speak out Ezekiel ch 33 whatever their calling .whatever the gift . Zechariah13 8,9 is done . Vidqun Did Jehovah show you or are you repeating what you have learned,? I ask you this respectfully, I am curious as to the things being revealed now. I will look at some more of the scripture you quoted (tired) to morrow.