i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.
i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..
How did Satan come to sin if he was created by God, and God's creation is perfect?
They told me that Adam sinned because he was tempted by Satan, and he would not have sinned otherwise.
None of it makes any sense. I can't understand why they can't see that.
i had a discussion with 4 jws today and they told me that jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that satan tempted jesus in the wilderness.. can anyone clarify their beliefs please.
i like to give them a reasoned argument when i talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before..
I had a discussion with 4 JWs today and they told me that Jesus could not be tempted, ( they say that he would not be perfect if he could) but also they told me that Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness.
Can anyone clarify their beliefs please. I like to give them a reasoned argument when I talk to them, but have never noticed this conflict of ideas before.
i just phoned my cousin who's never been a jw.
last week she went with her son-in-law and my jw sister for a meal after planting a tree at her daughter's grave.
she said when my sister was dropped off at her house her husband said you do know she can't have toast.
Jesus clearly enjoyed his food and drink, including wine.
i note your comments in the following threads regarding the jewish perspective on certain old testament (ot) events:.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5700922233585664/when-you-stop-think-about-why-would-gods-chosen-people-old-testament-need-army?page=1&size=10 ,.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6065451475927040/why-didnt-god-also-reveal-himself-canaanites-just-he-did-moses-burning-bush.
My conclusion about the Jewish perspective of the OT based on your various comments in this forum is that Judaism seems to be a rather fluid religion filled with reinterpretations and rationalizations as time goes by. What was considered literal today may not be literal tomorrow. Hindsight has a way of changing religion.
That sounds like my perception of JW beliefs, Deegee.
in the story in the gospel of mark, mark writes that jesus is hungry and comes across a fig tree.
mark explains that it not in season yet jesus upon finding the fig tree has produced no fruit kills the tree.. this story makes no sense if literal so do the gun teach that it literally happened?.
What do Jews think of Zechariah 14 which says that there will be an horrendous earthquake in Israel? Do you think it is intended to be taken literally.
Apologies to crazyguy for hijacking his thread.
so we were at another family members home for a random celebration when the nature channel showed a killer whale eating a seal and my sister in law was horrified.
we made a joke about the circle of life and i said something along the lines of 'everything that lives must die, the bible says every king must die, so even jesus wasn't immune'.
after that comment there was an awkward silence with our jw family whispering to each other about my comment of dying.. once upon a time i asked my uber elder jw brother if he thought that he would not die and he asked me if i knew when god would start armageddon.
I wonder how they will cope with nuclear power stations going into melt down if there are no skilled staff to keep them under control after their version of Armageddon.
in the story in the gospel of mark, mark writes that jesus is hungry and comes across a fig tree.
mark explains that it not in season yet jesus upon finding the fig tree has produced no fruit kills the tree.. this story makes no sense if literal so do the gun teach that it literally happened?.
Do you think the re-growing of the fig tree could be related to the rebirth of the state of Israel?
I found what you said about honey interesting. Honey would not have been easily come by 2000 years ago before bee hives were invented.
in the story in the gospel of mark, mark writes that jesus is hungry and comes across a fig tree.
mark explains that it not in season yet jesus upon finding the fig tree has produced no fruit kills the tree.. this story makes no sense if literal so do the gun teach that it literally happened?.
Thanks, David. It is interesting to get the opinion of a Jew as you are most likely to understand the deeper things in the Old Testament which a gentile would miss.
What do you think of Matthew 24 v 32? It mentions the fig tree coming into leaf again.
i have a wife that literally cleans the house 24 7. it's hard on our marriage, our son has no natural affection for her.
if we go to an assembly she literally spends two days waxing and polishing the car.
she hand washes all the clothes before go into the washing machine because no machine could ever do as good a job as her.
That sounds like OCD and may need professional treatment. Can she be distracted with trips or meals out?
ran into this lone sister in fs.
today stopped her as she was hiding her wt mag.. i went straight into child molestion and the catholics/ then switched it on the wt.
she tried to tell me all jw are told to go to the police.
I find they look so dejected when out at the doors. They don't look happy or enthusiastic.
I asked the last pair what will happen to all those who died 60 years ago believing things that they would be disfellowshipped for if they were alive today. I did not get an answer.
If I wait long enough perhaps they will believe the same as me!
