Posts by wednesday

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halloween, the straw breaker

by wednesday in

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my husband and i have just had a big fight about, of all things, halloween.

our dgt.

in law is bringing our cute little grandbabies over to show us their costumes, plus she is taking them to business's to trick or treat.

I totatlly incative and my husband attends only occ. But he still beleives it the "truth". and is not going to let us have any fun i guess. The only way i can explain this is by what Gary Bussleman said over on his site, even when he left he still had the jw core personality . It is hard to see that your religion that u believed u so much is not working. I have gotten out on the net and read -but he won't entertain any new ideas.I'm not DA or DF but i'm expecting one of those elder calls in jan-march. I planned on just being real nice and telling them how sick i was-for sure they'll go away.

BTW-he is getting a camera , and he'll by the kids a choc shake(b/c he always does that) but no trick treat candy. I guess i won a little. But he's not happy. Very mad. I know this is not the end-the holiday season is coming up.

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halloween, the straw breaker

by wednesday in

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friends

my husband and i have just had a big fight about, of all things, halloween.

our dgt.

in law is bringing our cute little grandbabies over to show us their costumes, plus she is taking them to business's to trick or treat.

wednesday

My husband and i have just had a big fight about, of all things, Halloween. Our dgt. in law is bringing our cute little grandbabies over to show us their costumes, plus she is taking them to business's to trick or treat. I suggested to my husband that we take a pic and have some candy for them-well the" fhit hit the san. ""So now u want to be catholics-they started halloween-your forcing me to go against my beliefs" I told him i was tired of living like we do. how happy were we as JW's-how happy are we now? Living in this strange middle world is so confusing.

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Step down from privileges and what? FADE?

by Alligator Wisdom in

i was raised and am currently a jw (detailed within my personal profile).

however, yesterday i turned in my letter of stepping down as ministerial servant.

yesterday i just joined the board and i'm glad to be here.

wednesday

If all your family and friends are JW(and imagine they are) then i would choose the slow fade.Move if u can. Do u have any health problem that could be used as excuse? Do u need to finish schooling

Learn a trade? If u have a friend u 2 could move together . Feeeling stressed and need vacation-and take one. scout out a new home while u are away.

Do u need to help your parents more-grandparents?Do have needs and must marry? edited to say LOL that always ask that

Edited by - wednesday on 31 October 2002 2:48:41

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Does Our Arguing Scare People Off???

by minimus in

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with so much going on over here, do you think that newbies, lurkers, or potenial apostates could or do get scared off from this place?

if someone is on the fence and they want to explore the internet and are warned that all you'll see are disgruntled apostates, could these forums make them think the "faithful and discreet slave" is actually right?

wednesday

Mrs. shikata(x sp)

I do resemble salley field quite a bit but for reasons of privacy (trying to not get da or df)did not wat to post my real pic. So i went looking for avatars that and found one of her so i used it. I changed my mind now and have something else as pic.

I just wanted to say that a poster said that some of us are a miserable jw still inside. Of course we are. After i read Gary Bussleman(sp) posts over at freemiinds, that is exactly what he said he was. he was raised a jw and when he left he had no "other" personality to go back to. All he had was the jw . So all the deprogramers who try and bing back your pre-cult personality would not work in that situation. It required that he actually re-invent himself and put on a new personality. Some of us-myself included are having to do like that.

When i see hatred and abusive speeh i soemetimes think the jw must be right-apostates have nothing to offer-they just want to complain about the org.but there are some really nice people here and i cry soemtimes when i see their stories. I know they have been hurt and feel pain. I want to be here to be with others who are like me..In a very large support group there are going to be people in all stages of recovery.. No one should ridicule another-even if he is still a miserable jw still inside.

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What did you do to piss the brothers off?

by Pleasuredome in

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when you were getting fed up with meetings before you gave up, was there anything you did to deliberately get on the brothers nerves?.

i turned up to a meeting once with jeans on, and a red top with cccp on it with the 'hammer and sickle'.

i also went to another bs group a few times so that if i wasnt at one group they'd think i was at the other and vice versa.

wednesday

I told more than one elder that i would never confide in elders again, and they had no control over my life I told them i only answered to jehovah. I answered at WT study and BS from the bible and paid little reference to the material form the mags/books. should have seen the supicious looks i got.

I began using the bible in ministy and talking about jesus and alarmed some to the point i was worked with in service by elders to see what i was saying to see if i was following the society's outline.

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Does Our Arguing Scare People Off???

by minimus in

jw
friends

with so much going on over here, do you think that newbies, lurkers, or potenial apostates could or do get scared off from this place?

if someone is on the fence and they want to explore the internet and are warned that all you'll see are disgruntled apostates, could these forums make them think the "faithful and discreet slave" is actually right?

wednesday

yes at times it has been upsetting. Today i found Gary bussleman (hope i spelled that correctly) site at freeminds and immediately felt a real connection with his story.I have spent the whole afternoon reading almost everything he has on net. I did not feel pressured to leave the org by him and his story is somewhat simailar to mine. What he said made so much sense and his stories are so funny(the okies ones), well it put it so much at ease. What he said about deprograming made sense to. those of us in the WTS from birth have no personalilty to return to-our core personality are jw . We have to reinvent ourselfs. At times i read thiiings here where the person has a clash with jw-doctrinal or otherwise and they go out. it is not like that for me. i have been inactive and only occ attending meeting for years. It has been a slow drift away-yet i could not bring myself to look elsewhere. At times i would try and return-only to feel very unahappy b/c i could never measure up But i never thought exactly it was their fault, even thugh i was made as hell at a lot of elders, -i still really blamed myself for failing. but after i read Gary's story-well he said everythihg i have been trying to articulate, and could not. For people like that-yes this site can be scary. part of us stilll wants to defend the org.

this is a slow scary process. .

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Child Molestation (Poll)

by refiners fire in

does anyone know of incidents of child molestation outside of the witness org?

how many incidents do you know of?

details are not required (in fact not desirable), .

wednesday

The issue is the WTS policy of how Crimes are dealt with-not that there are more victims. Included in the policy problem is how abused womem are treated within the cong. They are generally slienced. So are children. They are further victimized if they say anything about this-threats of dF.

I myself am a SL and a rape survivor. That is a crime. the brothers involved paid no price-never reported to cps or the police. It was advised against by wts. members of my extended family who are not witness have also been victims. But they went to the police and CPS and did not have to be threatned with DF.

Edited by - wednesday on 28 October 2002 18:26:44

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Wedding receptions -- weird JW ideas

by Gopher in

have a reputation for being immature and quick to take offense!

then you can find yourself invited to a jw wedding reception.

do you doubt this?

wednesday

Years ago when there was a wedding everyone was invited. then they started saying that even jw are bad assoication. Then it became an invite only. I crashed a wedding once b/c the bride wanted me there but her sister did not. They actually had MS at the door to keep out uninvited people. Some receptions are ok with dancing and all. Others just stand around.. years ago some jw tried to start a trend by saying personal vows. The WTS quickly stopped that.

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Witnesses playing stupid mind games

by kenpodragon in

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my wife recently had her baby shower for the up coming birth.

now that we have not been witnesses for over six years, many of our relatives thought that we would not have much of a turn out.

the reason they would think this, is for the most part we do not do much with them any more and thus they have no clue of what kind of social life we have beyond the days they knew us in the religion.

wednesday

Several yrs ago i saw a sis at a assembly-she saw me and started ranting "It's not fair-look at her -i served jehovah faithfuly-it's not fair". She got so crazy her husband had to drag her out of the hall.

the problem was i still looked good and she had gotten really fat. She thought that bc she had been a faithful servant it should be her that looked good and me fat. I of course thinks she is nuts-gaining weight has nothing to do with being a faithgful servant of jehovah. But it shows u how crazy people can be-she wanted me to be fat as a punishment.

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Ways to get you back

by shera in

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have some jw's who you were close to,try to get you back to the meetings?what did they do?.

one woman i knew..tried to make me feel guilty with letters...saying it was like i stabbed her in the gut.she also gave me, my pictures back,of myself and my daughter.yeh thats a winner.just last year she gave someone i know..pictures i drew back to me, as well ,other pics of my daughter that were hanging around her house.. yeh sure,thats gonna win me over.

wednesday

With the recent death of my mother, an elder and his wife really tried to use this to get me to attend again. during the funeral they kept using my mom 's name and 'this is what xxxx belived"" sort of emotional blackmail to get me to go back(actuallly about half the people there were inactive witness's). I told him that when they apologize for destroying my life, mybe i'd consider coming back. he said i must forgive too. Also, one of my friends for a very long time has made it her gaol to phone me and for us to go out and spend time together. She's either looking for something she feels is absolute proof of apostsy or she is going to office me a bible study.