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  UN/WTS SCANDAL - June 1/1991 WT & Muller

  by hawkaw in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  in the thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=21916&site=3 mad apostate brought the watchtower magazine of june 1, 1991 pages 15-20 their refuge-a lie!

  to our attention with respect to the united nations scandal.

  in particular, mad apostate made reference to paragraphs 10 and 11 from this wts rag.

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  paper trail paper trail, i love it.

  "Great work guys. I think you are going to give the WT a headache".
  That's all? btw Mad and Haw deserve some kind of honorary degree.

  "I can’t tell you people how important this article in the June 1, 1991 Watchtower is.",

  You dont have to, not to me. Let the reader use discernment.

  Who cut the good NGO part? The editor?
  Not necessarily. An 'innocient' suggestion from, lets say, Freddy was eunough. An ediorial comittee had to review/sign the article before publication. In fact Ray declined to sign a few...
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  perspective, BARBARA, roarer

  by one in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when did she work for the wt?.

  why she left hq?.

  when was her daughter molested?

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  chichi,

  "There are two different Barbaras in this issue."

  That is one more reason to do what i suggested...

  Do you have the picture clear?
  who is who?
  and, who did what?

  Just the facts please, "executive summary"
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  Bill Bowen's Use of "Fake Precision"

  by Psychdigg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the fake precision fallacy involves making a claim with a mathematical precision that is impossible to obtain.. he does this on his site where he starts with an alleged and unsupported figure that the watchtower has a file of some 23,000 child molesters and runs that figure up to the point where it becomes absolutely absurd.

  his purpose is to persuade readers that jehovah's witnesses are a hot bed of child molestation.

  the problem is that he starts with at best very dubious sources and then he takes this data and treats it as if it is precise and factual.. it is not unusual for many of us to use a frivolous "false precision" in making statements.

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  "If Bill Bowen has solid evidence that Jehovah's Witnesses are breaking the law then he should follow his own advice and turn this evidence over to law enforcement officials"

  = legalism, i dont care about children show me i am breaking the law.

  "..and I will have instant family." UNTIL WHEN?

  Do something too funny and you will be on the street shunned in no time.

  NO good GOOD good FAMILY WILL DUMP A MEMBER BECAUSE OF FACIAL HAIR,
  masturbation,
  helping a charitable org.,
  go to YMCA,
  blood trans.,
  getting into an argument with the MOTHER, Just to give you an innocent example.

  GOOD 'LUCK' WITH YOUR FAMILY, I dont needed it. With THAT kind of friends/FAMILY i dont need enemies.

  Did you say LOVE?
  Are you interpolating or confussing CONDITIONAL love and "conformity" with TRUE love?

  ash said:
  "That's right Psych, don't reply to my posts...."

  ditto
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  perspective, BARBARA, roarer

  by one in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when did she work for the wt?.

  why she left hq?.

  when was her daughter molested?

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  when did she work for the wt?
  doing what?
  why she left HQ?
  when?
  when was her daughter molested?
  after leaving HQ?

  presenting the facts, not a narrative will help readers...
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  Bill Bowen's Use of "Fake Precision"

  by Psychdigg in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the fake precision fallacy involves making a claim with a mathematical precision that is impossible to obtain.. he does this on his site where he starts with an alleged and unsupported figure that the watchtower has a file of some 23,000 child molesters and runs that figure up to the point where it becomes absolutely absurd.

  his purpose is to persuade readers that jehovah's witnesses are a hot bed of child molestation.

  the problem is that he starts with at best very dubious sources and then he takes this data and treats it as if it is precise and factual.. it is not unusual for many of us to use a frivolous "false precision" in making statements.

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  Psychdigg,

  Why didnt you continued with you rethoric logic on the same thread?

  Do you remember School Ministry "logic and coherent development of ideas." or something like that. Plus introduction, body and conclusion are basic to a "discourse". Put it into practice for our collective enlightenment.

  Did i said (posted) samething trolling?

  your topic yesterday was:

  "Topic: Bill Bowens Trail of Naivete Read 1884 times"

  at:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=27390&site=3&page=5

  My participation was:

  "Psychdigg,
  why it took you so long to react to bowen's posts?
  why jump in at this advance state of affairs?
  why are you mentioning legal implications?
  did you read simon's topic "when the x hits the fan"? it was posted yesterday...
  can you say anything good about bill?
  can you say anything bad about the wt?
  then you suggest sueing elders not the wt... (sort of scape goats)
  who designate and train the elders?, wt is ultimately responsbile responsible for the training, supervision, discipline, control, evaluation and conduct of their employee/elders, jointly responsible for any damages claimed.
  If you dont have an agenda, then what is was/is the reason for your well tought but "improvised" participation?.
  anything in particular irking?
  do you beleive in virtual re-encarnation?
  have you read anything about dual-personalities?
  do you happen to know if they have internet conection at crooklyn?

  not my style but keyboard mademedoit"
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  Two Deadly Observations

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not terribly shocked that the society, in its .

  knorr/rehoboam wisdom, decided to repress whistleblowers.. nor am i surprized when the watchtower deceives, dissembles,.

  misleads or quotes out of context.. but ask yourself a question:.

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  degenerated? not really,

  just situations have come up to show where they have been all along.

  someone from legal dept?

  Iit will be a matter of time before another "Ray" come out with all the proof... They have been producing lawyers one of them will do it.

  Look to what Rutherford's (WT)lawyer did, history repeat.
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  Some Musings

  by Farkel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i sent it to kent.

  the only thing that kept me going was the thought of what my suicide would do to my children for the rest of their lives.

  i finally got the courage to seek help for that depression, and im fine now.. alanf and gedanken (two of my good friends) helped me out, and i am most grateful for that.

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  farkel,

  Iam sure you can write a best seller and strike rich. It is difficult to create or simulate cadence when writing programs besides users are ungrateful. Not to mention Babilon, you know the never ending language proliferation. Where is your TRS-80 c/pm, gone with the piano? It may be worth something at a computer museaum
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  Well, here's my story... Like it or not.

  by staceman in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  wow... i feel guilty about even being here, let alone posting my story.

  but here goes.... it was back in the late 60's that my dad (actually stepdad who adopted me and my older sister when he married our mother) got witnessed to by a guy that he worked with.

  he was invited to our house for dinner along with his wife and that was the beginning of my new life.

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  stanceman,

  another drama not part of the assembly program. As you know it is an spirtual paradise...

  Stanceman, stand for your values, this board obviously is part of your contingency plan.

  Your are about to change your NETWORK topology and protocol.

  WT protocol is obsolete... they dont even folLow OSI model, what can you expect (CRASH). They are out of sync with rest of the world.

  Go wireless, no strings attached here. UPGRADES always presents a challenge. But you will find a lot of SUPPORT on this board.

  Hang in there, no doubt you eventually will be CERTIFIED. Then with your experience you will be able to SUPPORT others.

  + Bill Gates will keep you busy, which is good to retain sanity, in the real world..
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  CHANNEL 9 NEWS TO INTERVIEW US TODAY

  by ARoarer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this morning we got a phone call to ask us if they could come and interview us this morning.

  they will be here in about 1 hour.

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  Test you VCR
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  Sexual Abuse of wives in the Borg

  by Lady Lee in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  and justly so.

  when it came out, the elders and my mother chose to put me in foster care and keep the abuser in the home and congregation - supposedly to keep me safe.. i believed that at the time.

  my step-father who had abused me was no longer around so it was "safe" for me to come home from the foster home (more than 500 km away).

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  I have heard of similiar cases. And they look like very nice guys.

  also i have seen how jw women control their jw husband restricting their physical access to the male.

  Also, i have seen jw woman married to CO who provide physical access to another man other than their husband. Mainly because the CO is too busy taking care of... Yes i have seen good jw man having his life wrecked by a controlling woman. It works both ways, but woman are more sophisticated, they use better tools, of course they are more intelligent in many ways.