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WT Public Information-Position On Murder

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

how would the wt public information explain their position on other crimes such as bank robbery, rape, or even murder?

would they present their position in the same way as child molestation?

if so here is an example for wt media to post with the proper changes.. .

one

hillary_step,

"Please do not censure"

every one is just speaking out, inluding Cynus...

You mentioned that Cygnus did asked the following question:

"Does he believe that the JWs have biblical and scriptural support for their protocol or not?"

I dont know about Bill ,
But I dont think "JW' have scriptural support.

Obviouly did not have support for the "Generation", Aluminum, military service policy, blood -+, and many other issues.

They should not just pick a verse and apply it to ANY situation they think fit OUTOFCONTEXT and/or applicability.

"How do you get these people to understand"

Well, (HELL) the hard way just like Bill is doing it.

Usually they dont change anything until hard hit or someone ROAR.

Stepping in sync I "thank" Cynus too.

BTW
you have religious, legal and MORAL issues.

thing that are legal are not MORALLY correct, morality should the root of any religious org. besides pure theological doctrines, they shoud and can harmonize, unless you (WT) have strange agendas.

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WT Public Information-Position On Murder

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

how would the wt public information explain their position on other crimes such as bank robbery, rape, or even murder?

would they present their position in the same way as child molestation?

if so here is an example for wt media to post with the proper changes.. .

one

This TWO witness thing,

Using WT and Court analisis

What the writter (BIBLE, code)had in mind?
Or the analogy what the legislator had in mind when writting the law or procedure?

Deut 19:15 as the original writter mention the two witness requirement

But Deut 19:16 the next verse talk about the kind of crime the writter had in mind such as uprising, revolt, rebellion.

NOT CHILD ABUSE.

Heck, if you read verse 6 on the same chapter the AVENGER could even kill anyone (murderer) BEFORE bringing over the so called two witness.
The murderer really had to RUN BEFORE IT WAS TOO LATE.

Child molestation consecuences could be worst, for victim and family, than killing outright.

What the logic tells you?

If you think wt is right in doing what is doing. More thinking has to be done.

If under religious protection wt "seem" to be doing it right then what Bill is doing IS right and out of questioning.

Religious REFORM is what the WT has been doing continuously since its begining. But reforming or reconsidering, "generation" etc instead of the more direct damaging procedures.

I know, the error has to hit them before they see it.

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WT Public Information-Position On Murder

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

how would the wt public information explain their position on other crimes such as bank robbery, rape, or even murder?

would they present their position in the same way as child molestation?

if so here is an example for wt media to post with the proper changes.. .

one

Cygnus said:

"nobody wants to ask Bill Bowen or anyone else any tough questions."

like what?

Btw
do you have any children?

the overwhelming evidence can offend anyone with decent senisitivity.

The high degree of indignation because of the 'actitude' of your life long religion makes imposible to question ("hard question")the obvious.

Again, do you have children?

What do you do for a living?
you see the bible is obsolete in many areas.
it has mistakes too by the way.

But the point is, as Alan mentioned, procedure obsolesence is speeding up, even long stablished theories have to be thrown out. Can you or the GB read Greek?

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Dateline Fitzwater Letter-"Two Witnesses

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

the following is a letter written from the service department regarding the molestation of the step daughter of daniel fitzwater.

in the dateline program daniel fitzwater was shown by correspondence from a circuit overseer to have molested 17 jw children who unfortunately did not have two eye-witnesses for each incident.

thus brother fitzwater went to prision and remains in prision as a jw in "good standing".

one

simon,

did you remove any post on this thread?

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WT Public Information-Position On Murder

by silentlambs in

jw
friends

how would the wt public information explain their position on other crimes such as bank robbery, rape, or even murder?

would they present their position in the same way as child molestation?

if so here is an example for wt media to post with the proper changes.. .

one

Cygnus,

Just a quick review shows that wt is not interested in resolving pedo cases as much as a murder case.

why?

Even the actions do not match the written policies regarding pedo, which obviously are more lax.

Did you notice tha the murderer must be CONFRONTED with the victim's family etc.

Why not CONFRONT the pedo with the victim(s)

What about being obedient to the SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES?
In many states it is REQUIRED to report pedo cases AND, i am sure, states that do no require reporteing will LISTEN to any report, althought no required.

Plus the fact that there many more cases about pedo in wt land than murder cases. Such a situation calls for ACTION, EFECTIVE action.

How efective/good has WT policy been so far, THAT is what COUNTS.

wT "SCRIPTURAL" polciy is not f*** working!!!!!

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Why Be AlanF So Narcissistic

by non_trias_theos in

jw
friends

alanf seem to suffer from ego centricity disorder.

people in thisn place have patted him on back too much it went to his head.

he think that cause he can shuffle a few figures and write terrible papers on evolution book that he ok. he needs humble self and quit taking praise from people.

one

WHO IS
non_trias_theos ???

140 posts in 10 days!

WT LEGAL, YK, FH ?

We getting too many "NEW" posters.

Some make intentional grammar errors, You Know why?

Simon,
Rrom now on you must charge 144 dollars to every new poster wanabe.

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WAR & RUMORS OF (NUCLEAR) WAR

by You Know in

a question for all to consider is: if pakistan and india go nuclear, as seems to becoming more likely by the day, how long will civilization be able to stay intact without completely unraveling, and during that interval will ridiculers be able to maintain the delusion that nothing out of the ordinary is happening in the world?

/ you know.

> http://www.msnbc.com/news/753586.asp?pne=msn&cp1=1

one

YK,

I say this before, but you are deluting your arguments by exccesive verbosity. Simplify.

You triying to reach the 'naive' right, naive people usually do not read too much, that is why they are what they are.

You are therefore not reaching the audience you pretend to reach, we dont "need" your light, most of us know what we are doing and why.

proverbs 20:19 "...so avoid a man who talks too much."

Prverbs also says too many words=sin

or dont you feel like throwing pearls...

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DATELINE: BLACK ART OF PROPAGANDA

by You Know in

hardly anyone has an honest opinion about anything of importance that wasnt craftily pre-packaged and handed to them by someone else whose job it is to craft public opinion.

the intention of the media is to present the illusion of impartially informing, all the while pandering to prejudice and ignorance in order to persuade to a particular point of view.

datelines presentation of the watchtowers child abuse issue was a case study in the black art of media propaganda.. from the very beginning of the presentation dateline was intent on giving the public a negative impression of jehovahs witnesses by portraying us all as oddball crackpots whose religion revolves around the doctrine that we dont celebrate birthdays and that all non-believers are possessed by the devil and that we want them all to die.

one

Alan,

Can we conclude that Dateline exec.

1. are dishonest

2. Are afraid of WT sueing them. With the probability of at least stopping them from addional airings... while court goes on against daline.

3. Decided to test water, with intention to continue a series of 'shows'

4. Got material or verbal dessuasive input

5. All of the above

Freddy Franz must be turning in is grave, what didnt he know?

The Vatican is at least talking, Bush just went to the Pope bringing the issue up.

I wonder how many GOOD cases have been sealed by court orders. But hey, the documents have not been burned, who knows.

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DATELINE: BLACK ART OF PROPAGANDA

by You Know in

hardly anyone has an honest opinion about anything of importance that wasnt craftily pre-packaged and handed to them by someone else whose job it is to craft public opinion.

the intention of the media is to present the illusion of impartially informing, all the while pandering to prejudice and ignorance in order to persuade to a particular point of view.

datelines presentation of the watchtowers child abuse issue was a case study in the black art of media propaganda.. from the very beginning of the presentation dateline was intent on giving the public a negative impression of jehovahs witnesses by portraying us all as oddball crackpots whose religion revolves around the doctrine that we dont celebrate birthdays and that all non-believers are possessed by the devil and that we want them all to die.

one

YK is getting support from WT LEGAL DPT.

Legal failed to introuce troll, they were killed in their few initial post.

THEN yk jumped in.

The wrriting style or arguments he is using THIS ISSUE are tipical from legalistic people...

descredit and/or question witness motivation

BTW
as Alan implied, "annointed" really think they are KINGS, heck even elder think they are something special foretold in the bible, do you know what i mean?

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Woman flames men, OUCH!

by SYN in

god help us men!

http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/shivers/rants/scum.html .

are we really that bad?.

one

BG.

'adoring men' eh? you will be df

btw

i like the quotation below,
is it original?

"Public opinion, a vulgar, impertinent, anonymous tyrant who deliberately makes life unpleasant for anyone who is not content to be the average person"