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  Positive about jw

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  there are many thing i dont regret about jw

  learning from jw about cristmas is one of them

  the jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.

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  Triple A,

  Do not know what you are reading, but it must only be WTS literture.

  When i said "Anything I ever read or heard did not refute jw doctrines." Take into consideration the context, AT THAT TIME (long ago) I did not read or hear anyone to properly "refute jw doctrines"

  What about Christmas do you consider pagan? Just give one or two thing we can chew on

  tons of info available

  http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_rece.htm

  Few people realize that the origins of a form of Christmas was pagan & celebrated in Europe long before anyone there had heard of Jesus Christ.

  The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.

  Wild,

  Also, JWs are, by far, not the only ones to "go against the system". All you have to do is read a history book to figure that out.

  At least in modern times i dont know of any organized group in the western world that has been so consistant, openly going "against the system" regarding CRISTMAS, which is the example in this case, there other examples i did not mention.

  I am also curious as to what else you find positive about the JWs?

  stay tuned for more

  OUT,

  Hey! Anyone joining on their own, without growing up JW must have seen something positive

  In my case i was raised jw, from very early age but still appreciate a lot of things learned..

  BluesBrother,

  BUT none of that was unique to the WTS

  BUT as far as i know they worked hard to make it known to everyone.

  . It does in no way compensate for 1] a wasted life, 2] uncountable hours of wasted time in field service and meetings 3] The disappointment of realising that it is 'Just not true' 4] A life that might have been, if I had not based everything around 'Spiritual goals' which gave a totally cockeyed view of life and and its values

  If "compesate" or not will depend on each individual. Being practical anyone can turn a lemon into a lemonade.

  Observador,

  The point being: in every group, you may find some positives. Finding positives, however, doesn't mean that the balance is positive.

  But the balance could be positive, each case is different

  Must exjw think only of the negative things they experienced or leaned AND positive things they missed,

  BUT they forget the positive things they learned and experienced AND negative things they avoided by being jw.

  Gill,

  If lies and deception are what you want then that's fair enough.

  do you think i want that? How do you know?

  But why do you think that God would destroy EVERYONE who is not a JW or survivable by 'family merit'?

  do i "think" that?
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  My Deleted Elder Friend Stopped By.......

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  with his wife to say that it's been 3 months since my daughter's wedding and in october he got deleted for going to it even though the presiding overseer told him it was a "conscience matter.

  period.

  ".....the circuit overseer saw it differently and removed my friend as an elder amd my mom as a regular pioneer because of a letter sent only to circuit overseers in 1999!!!!

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  Min,

  photocopy a selected similar experience from CoC and mail it to deleted elder.
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  Positive about jw

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  1. jw
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  there are many thing i dont regret about jw

  learning from jw about cristmas is one of them

  the jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.

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  There are many thing i dont regret about jw

  learning from jw about cristmas is one of them

  The jw were very open about cristmas, going against the "system" require some strenght and that in itself attracted many to the jw org.

  It teached me not to accept anything at face value and to question just about anything.

  I concluded at early age that anybody and everybody could be wrong. I have benefit all along from such early conclusion, thanks to the jw..

  But for some reason I did not question most jw teachings... I did questions some teaching and rules long ago..

  I think it was due to lack of references. The "messengers" that passed around some weak messages against jw lacked credibility, in the first place they beleived in cristmas, a celebration that have been proven to be "pagan". Anything I ever read or heard did not refute jw doctrines.

  There many other things i consider positive about jw, dont you?.

  On the other hand, as Ray Franz says in his books we are not free of blame for accepting unfounded jw teachings, the most we can say is repeat that we have been "victims of victims", but the victim is not always without responsability... but if feels better when the victim can totally blame someone else.
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  My Deleted Elder Friend Stopped By.......

  by minimus in

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  with his wife to say that it's been 3 months since my daughter's wedding and in october he got deleted for going to it even though the presiding overseer told him it was a "conscience matter.

  period.

  ".....the circuit overseer saw it differently and removed my friend as an elder amd my mom as a regular pioneer because of a letter sent only to circuit overseers in 1999!!!!

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  WHAT!!!

  after more than 45 years as being an elder, Congregation Servant, PO, etc. He is currently appealing it to the Society but methinks it doesn't look too good for him.

  isn't he the elder your mother didnot see at the wedding?

  anyway the elders found the excuse that most likely they were looking for.
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  Santa vs Three Kings

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  "three kings is not celebrated in the usa and other "cristian" countries.

  santa had nothing to do with jesus who was "born" this day some 2000 years ago.

  on the other hand besides celebrating santa "three king" is also celebrated around january in many countries and is an older celebration..

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  "Three Kings is not celebrated in the usa and other "cristian" countries. Santa had nothing to do with jesus who was "born" this day some 2000 years ago.

  On the other hand besides celebrating Santa "Three KIng" is also celebrated around january in many countries and is an older celebration..

  do you know why?
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  Alan, you quoted Carl Sagan, (anyone can repply)

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  i am lazy and never read too much about speculative topics such as metaphysics but,

  somewhere in this board you make reference about a guy who, imo (not that i know much about him), made a lot of speculations

  as carl sagan once remarked, it's remarkable that a religion so transparently dishonest has any adherents at all, but that's a measure of the gullibility of the ultra-religious mind.. .

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  There is no need to attack a messenger but it helps knowing a bit about the messenger, specially if the message is very unique or controversial..
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  What's The Best Way To Jolt A Witness' Thinking???

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  anything that you think effectively gets a jw to re-think their position on things or their beliefs, in general?

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  Depend on her/his age and number of years as jw.

  what about an "innocent" question? (for any with at least 10 years as jw)

  asking to list the positive and negative aspects of the religion

  and results on his/her life

  It can make her THINK a bit.
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  "covered up... to manufacture Christian creeds"

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  review season ?

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6653824/site/newsweek/?ng

  "the da vinci code," one of the most widely read books of our time, is partly built around the assertion that the early church covered up important facts about jesus in order to manufacture christian creeds.

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  Sat,

  The 'life force' of michael the arch angel was transfered to the zygot in mary.

  What the second most powerfull spiritual being did from that time until he became 30? specially the 9 month he was inside Mary... boring
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  Depression in the congregation

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  any takers

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  the advice given in the Awake! and Watchtower is "Do more in Jehovah's ervice.

  . Problem is that depression is usually caused by "dead end" the depressed person has been doing the "service" for too long but is falling behind in just about every aspect of life, mostly ECONOMICALLY, because has no time or 'approval' to improve his education or take extra part time job etc

  Once a person becomes economically independent or stable she/he can handle most depressing situatons that mey come up.

  Job lost no problem, family died take a trip overseas for a while, bad neiborghood i'll tomorrow, house need repair here is the money, bad nutrition lets buy better food, car stolen no problem, need a 3 month vacation for whatever reason ok, my mother is old and need economic help no problem either, my child need special education i can pay for it, have a bad boss resign now, dont have to use too much depressing polyester clothing, lift my spriti as i can afford eating out every so often, and so on. Self steemgoes down when you can not afford a solution and vicerversa.
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  Alan, you quoted Carl Sagan, (anyone can repply)

  by one in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am lazy and never read too much about speculative topics such as metaphysics but,

  somewhere in this board you make reference about a guy who, imo (not that i know much about him), made a lot of speculations

  as carl sagan once remarked, it's remarkable that a religion so transparently dishonest has any adherents at all, but that's a measure of the gullibility of the ultra-religious mind.. .

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  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan

  Carl Sagan was an avid user of marijuana , although he never publicly admitted it during his life. Under the pseudonym "Mr. X," he wrote an essay concerning cannabis smoking in the 1971 book Marihuana Reconsidered, whose editor was Lester Grinspoon . In the essay Sagan commented that marijuana encouraged some of his works and enhanced experiences. After Sagan's death, Grinspoon disclosed this to Sagan's biographer Keay Davidson. When the biography, entitled Sagan: A Life, was published in 1999, the marijuana exposure stirred some media attention.

  http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99/n882/a01.html

  SAN FRANCISCO ( AP ) - The late astronomer and author Carl Sagan was a secret but avid marijuana smoker, crediting it with inspiring essays and scientific insight, according to Sagan's biographer.

  http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/002.html

  By Carl Sagan

  This account was written in 1969 for publication in Marihuana Reconsidered (1971). Sagan was in his mid-thirties at that time. He continued to use cannabis for the rest of his life.

  It all began about ten years ago. I had reached a considerably more relaxed period in my life - a time when I had come to feel that there was more to living than science, a time of awakening of my social consciousness and amiability, a time when I was open to new experiences

  http://news.xp.com/read.html?postid=121&replies=0

  Oddly EnoughBiographer says Carl Sagan drew inspiration from marijuana