take a good look at the feb. 22 '05 awake magazine.
it's entitled "the role of mothers.
as educators".
Metatron,
can you find out when was the last time the WT mentioned the UN as the seven headed beast mentioned in the bible?
If you have the WT CD, can you that search?
More important than finding out about the WT "association" with the UN is finding clarifying details about the whole thing, such as you found in recent awake, good!
Really, a good researcher can write a "litle" book about the whole thing and become internationally famous
take a good look at the feb. 22 '05 awake magazine.
it's entitled "the role of mothers.
as educators".
"In politics, nothing happens by accident"
someone keep a watch on the NGO list - maybe they'll also need to start up another subsiary sp? corporation
Could they be doing their NGO biz under another name?
Most of the above questions and statementes were presented here
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/84577/4.ashx
a few days ago but no one has comeup with a factual real good answer yet... (researchers, where are you?)
in such thread the following comment was posted.
"More things to consider,
To me it seem that this contract (association with the UN) was a secretive one, not even reviewd by the legal dpt, who are real loyal jw lawyers who could raise a red flag..
WT lawyers have won most cases, they are not stupid.
The UN accepted an NGO (WT) without questioning... many UN country members knew about all the WT negative publishing about the UN. All of sudden they find WT wants to be "frendly" to the UN and say "welcome"...
Hard to swallow, now they want to be friendly to a "disgusting thing", every year they signed a contract to promote the derty thing .they even spected an attack from the UN.
A typical stupidy is not planned and kept secret for so long, for 10 years they could not realize the stupidity? as Alan mentioned: "I contacted several Watchtower officials to get their take on the situation. None of them had ever heard of the Society's Associated NGO status, and were actually shocked to hear of it"
They kept the card specially after the internet made available more info that could be used to write Awake. BTW imo awake is being reduced to a monthly publication becasue the internet makes available a ton of info, awake pales in comparison.
Back to the association WT knew it was a public record so to speak, and for 10 years they exposed themselves, taking the risk to be found riding the beast just like the whore they graphically showed so many time in bed with the UN... it was more than stupidity but a calculated risk, which they though could hardly be invetisgated and exposed as it has been done (by 1992 the internet did not exist as known today) At least the WT in the past had always discarded hi negative publicity against them
One more question, what is the WT "attendance record" to UN "mettings" ?
Waht has been the WTT participations in one way or another since they became associated . ?
How many WT "researches" actually visited the UN library? Were just a few secretive "researchers"? Did they (wt reasearchers) actually write anything as a result?
Does the UN keep record of the cards? (i mean when and how they were utilized.)
More facts need to be revealed to properly answer the question presented initially on this thread." does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?"
I will give the WT the benefit of a doubt (not for the use of the card), (curiosity kills the cat?) if they became interested in knowing what was going on inside the UN by networking as NGO somehow. As a "secret" plan to destroy religion was not going to be discussed in a "public" metting in front of NGO.
Take the above for the sake of discussion if you will, remember the WT took very seriously the UN in "god's plan"... a prominent key element, how could they IGNORE it?.
Since 1975 did not do any good, so if you can't win join them...
take a look at this wt excerpt from another thread that i copied and pasted:.
*** g93 3/22 why so many false alarms?
jehovah?s witnesses, in their eagerness for jesus?
If we fully apply what was said in that article then all JW's have good reason to view what the WT says as skeptical and possibly not true dont you think? They basically admit that in some cases "words do not come true" in the WT.
Regariding your topic question " What causes most JW's to lose the ability to reason?"
in the firs place, any adult who become a jw do not have such "ability to reason"
or as many other she/he did not think it was neccessary to do too much "reasoning", as
some wt doctrines were so obviously logical (such as no hot hell) that everything else had to be right, so no questions asked.
I wonder if the guy in the writing dept. who wrote that was demoted to the book bindery for admiting this one.
NO WAY, many others (powerfull) had to approve/sign the article before printing.the article. But who knows... there is always someone to blame, better if the one to blame is dead.
tomorrow i am puttting up some items from a 4th generation jehovah's witness family that i've known for years.
there are some pretty interesting items, and next week or so i'll be putting up some informants, mags from the 20s, 30s and 40s, etc.
but one thing caught my eye as i was reading the messenger of aug. 12, 1946. description:.
Lots of anti United Nations sentiment, which is interesting considering their recent joining of the United Nations as an Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) and then secretly resigning when they were caught with thier pants down (see Randytv.com)
Some do not see the "joining" as of any importance, to me it is like joining the Catholic Church just to be able to use a library at the Vatican... or visiting a drug dealer you dont like just because he has some facilities at her/his home that you and your family can somehow benefit from.....
In that regar At http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/84577/4.ashx
i posted : "
More things to consider,To me it seem that this contract (association with the UN) was a secretive one, not even reviewd by the legal dpt, who are real loyal jw lawyers who could raise a red flag..
WT lawyers have won most cases, they are not stupid.
The UN accepted an NGO (WT) without questioning... many UN country members knew about all the WT negative publishing about the UN. All of sudden they find WT wants to be "frendly" to the UN and say "welcome"...
Hard to swallow, now they want to be friendly to a "disgusting thing", every year they signed a contract to promote the derty thing .they even spected an attack from the UN.
A typical stupidy is not planned and kept secret for so long, for 10 years they could not realize the stupidity? as Alan mentioned: "I contacted several Watchtower officials to get their take on the situation. None of them had ever heard of the Society's Associated NGO status, and were actually shocked to hear of it"
They kept the card specially after the internet made available more info that could be used to write Awake. BTW imo awake is being reduced to a monthly publication becasue the internet makes available a ton of info, awake pales in comparison.
Back to the association WT knew it was a public record so to speak, and for 10 years they exposed themselves, taking the risk to be found riding the beast just like the whore they graphically showed so many time in bed with the UN... it was more than stupidity but a calculated risk, which they though could hardly be invetisgated and exposed as it has been done (by 1992 the internet did not exist as known today) At least the WT in the past had always discarded hi negative publicity against them
One more question, what is the WT "attendance record" to UN "mettings" ?
Waht has been the WTT participations in one way or another since they became associated . ?
How many WT "researches" actually visited the UN library? Were just a few secretive "researchers"? Did they (wt reasearchers) actually write anything as a result?
Does the UN keep record of the cards? (i mean when and how they were utilized.)
More facts need to be revealed to properly answer the question presented initially on this thread." does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?"
I will give the WT the benefit of a doubt (not for the use of the card), (curiosity kills the cat?) if they became interested in knowing what was going on inside the UN by networking as NGO somehow. As a "secret" plan to destroy religion was not going to be discussed in a "public" metting in front of NGO.
Take the above for the sake of discussion if you will, remember the WT took very seriously the UN in "god's plan"... a prominent key element, how could they IGNORE it?.
Since 1975 did not do any good, so if you can't win join them...
like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.
but can someone comment on two questions for me?.
who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?
btt
is it possible that the jw religion appeals to someone with an adolescent level of maturity, and that people leave it because they simply grow up?
those who are satisfied may be adults in other areas of their lives, but perhaps spiritually they are still adolescents or even children?
"some" by not many... besides those who did either were in 'fragile' or receptive situation in their lives and/or were not too intellingent in the related 'department', i could be very intelligent in some aspect of life and very stupid in another... "relativity" has to be always taken into account.
is it possible that the jw religion appeals to someone with an adolescent level of maturity, and that people leave it because they simply grow up?
those who are satisfied may be adults in other areas of their lives, but perhaps spiritually they are still adolescents or even children?
but perhaps spiritually they are still adolescents or even children?
or deceiving themselves
brain dead
lazy
there could be other factors and the real answer could be multi-factorial
like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.
but can someone comment on two questions for me?.
who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?
More things to consider,
To me it seem that this contract (association with the UN) was a secretive one, not even reviewd by the legal dpt, who are real loyal jw lawyers who could raise a red flag..
WT lawyers have won most cases, they are not stupid.
The UN accepted an NGO (WT) without questioning... many UN country members knew about all the WT negative publishing about the UN. All of sudden they find WT wants to be "frendly" to the UN and say "welcome"...
Hard to swallow, now they want to be friendly to a "disgusting thing", every year they signed a contract to promote the derty thing .they even spected an attack from the UN.
A typical stupidy is not planned and kept secret for so long, for 10 years they could not realize the stupidity? as Alan mentioned: "I contacted several Watchtower officials to get their take on the situation. None of them had ever heard of the Society's Associated NGO status, and were actually shocked to hear of it"
They kept the card specially after the internet made available more info that could be used to write Awake. BTW imo awake is being reduced to a monthly publication becasue the internet makes available a ton of info, awake pales in comparison.
Back to the association WT knew it was a public record so to speak, and for 10 years they exposed themselves, taking the risk to be found riding the beast just like the whore they graphically showed so many time in bed with the UN... it was more than stupidity but a calculated risk, which they though could hardly be invetisgated and exposed as it has been done (by 1992 the internet did not exist as known today) At least the WT in the past had always discarded hi negative publicity against them
One more question, what is the WT "attendance record" to UN "mettings" ?
Waht has been the WTT participations in one way or another since they became associated . ?
How many WT "researches" actually visited the UN library? Were just a few secretive "researchers"? Did they (wt reasearchers) actually write anything as a result?
Does the UN keep record of the cards? (i mean when and how they were utilized.)
More facts need to be revealed to properly answer the question presented initially on this thread." does anyone know the reason they joined to start with?"
I will give the WT the benefit of a doubt (not for the use of the card), (curiosity kills the cat?) if they became interested in knowing what was going on inside the UN by networking as NGO somehow. As a "secret" plan to destroy religion was not going to be discussed in a "public" metting in front of NGO.
Take the above for the sake of discussion if you will, remember the WT took very seriously the UN in "god's plan"... a prominent key element, how could they IGNORE it?.
Since 1975 did not do any good, so if you can't win join them...
like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.
but can someone comment on two questions for me?.
who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?
SF,
The only way to fully comprehend this entire issue is to read both of those threads throuyghout.
this topic is about a particular question, if you think you know the answer i will be more than glad to hear from you and THEN follow your links just to confirm your specific answer/opinion
BTW
I think i have fully read just about every thread on this issue...
like most on this board, i know the story, have seen the un press release, ect.
but can someone comment on two questions for me?.
who caught them with their hands in the cookie jar?
just like any big conspiracy everything is "confused" and finally very simple, an stupidity commited by a weird person, such as Lee Oswald...
