Posts by Balaamsass

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Any updates on the SPY network at the I.R.S., F.B.I., and other agencies for Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

curious, with almost 25,000 members here.

network of j.w.

does anyone have any up to date info on the status of the volunteer "spies"?.

Balaamsass

Anony Mous;

I was drinking coffee on a break at the "home" in 1976 when a member of the Governing body was talking to a brother in the office discussing the possibility of not charging for Lit. in the future. They were discussing the information passed along by a sister who was a secretary at the IRS. I asked if it was common, he smiled and said "it wasn't uncommon. " Two days later I brought up the subject again, and he bragged about how common it was.

It would serve no purpose for me to be d'fed right now so I am not going to give the who, and where. I bring up things I know of PERSONALLY first hand. At the time I was a youth PROUD of our "theocratic warfare" against the "evil doers working against Gods people". Our families go back 3 generations, many have served at Bethel or in Branches. I haven't begun to tell all the stories family have told me over the years or my friends. Some stuff is too specific and will point to me if a member of my family or an old buddy knows the story or event and trolls this site.

When serving as an Elder in a medium sized area I personally knew of a number of "Friends" who worked as medical transcibers, court records, police records, medical records, video rental records, USPS, Health Insurance, or medical support. A few times a year one of them would secretly report to their body of elders a JW who had broken the "rules". Being treated for an STD, Blood, Abortions, birth control (single), alcholism, DUI, past due child support, arrests, renting porn or "R", Gun magazines, porn magazines. Hey a JW sorts the mail in our town, so getting the mail at a P.O. BOX in our town will not guarantee privacy. What happens is two brothers make a "Sheparding call" on the JW in question and give them the 5 minute "secret Sins" part. Surprizingly, about half are striken and think "god moved these elders" to uncover the sin and confess..not knowing they got ratted out by a JW. The 1/2 that smile and keep quiet just don't get "used" as much. The spies are protected. No one ever meets the accuser.- Welcome to the real world.

P.S. A lot more JWs than you can imagine troll this site a couple of times a month. I get calls about stuff on this site from very active JWs who tell me stuff I know they read here. They say "they heard it". LOL!!

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8/15/12 WT--Naughty Elder's Wife Teaches Students "The Deep Things of God"

by sd-7 in

page 28, paragraph 13:.

"an improper romantic relationship could develop within the congregation.

daniel and his wife, sarah, were regular pioneers.

Balaamsass

LOL!! Love this thread!

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Is the WTS "refinancing" KH loans?

by doinmypart in

jw
friends

my mom's kh was built last year with a loan from wts.

she was talking about a letter to all congregations with loans from wts.

the letter was asking the publishers how much they can pay towards a refinance.

Balaamsass

I had a JW tell me about a hall that is now 3xs the original bid. All planned out by the RBC. He is in construction and asked the obvious, how can a project with donated land and labor be 300% off? Something smells. Perhaps it is like assembly hall expenses. The announcement is made: "Brothers we need X$$ this week to pay for the lights". THAT figure is usually a flat out LIE. The number represents basic costs, a sum for a balloning "staff" and a HUGE pre-promised donation to the Watchtower Society. I sat in some of those circuit "budget" meetings ..what a crock of #!. Very padded. Anyone in construction, development, real estate or adjusting will tell you each area has rule of thumb sq ft building costs. Yes costs can ballon, but a simple hall is not a space shuttle project.

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Any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

does anyone here have any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the watchtower bible and tract society?

mom gave a lot of money to the watchtower bible and tract society over her lifetime- (6 figures).

after she ran low on funds she made a 5 figure "conditional loan" to wtb&ts.

Balaamsass

Those of you with aging parents. Seriously consider influencing your parents to put life savings into things that take a little time to get at. Out of town banks, Annuities, ANYTHING that will slow them down from signing it all away right after a stirring talk at the hall. It takes about a week to get cash from a brokerage account, and you can frequently get the broker or manager to CALL YOU ASAP if Mom or Dad decide to cash out. It will save them, and save YOU from spending big money bailing them out of a mess!

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Any updates on the SPY network at the I.R.S., F.B.I., and other agencies for Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

curious, with almost 25,000 members here.

network of j.w.

does anyone have any up to date info on the status of the volunteer "spies"?.

Balaamsass

Sorry I missed your post Long Haired Girl. I never heard of ANYONE being "PLANTED" It seemed to just be a normal course of affairs. Someone studied who had already been working at agency "X" in a support position and happened to come accross damaging information to the Watchtower Society. Once they reported it upstream, the GB thanked them, gave them a direct line to Bethel and a long term relationship began. They felt they were like Easter and the king, and could help save God's people. It would be hard to "PLANT" someone at many agencies.

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Your most DISTURBING WATCHTOWER Bethel/Branch experience? (No full names please)

by Balaamsass in

ok.. you 70 plus bethelite members.... this is your chance to share stories!

inquiring minds want to know !no full names please..follow t.o.s.

to avoid borg libel lawsuits).. i will start the ball rolling with week one.

Balaamsass

I think getting to KNOW a number of Governing Body members personally. Some were God fearing men, some kind, and thoughtful, like Ray Franz,and Booth others very flawed like Chity, and Fred Franz. I thought if this is the house of God, why isn't the Holy Spirit more active in ALL the leaders? Why the self-assuming arrogance,and fits of anger?

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Lawyers: Can a Jehovah's Witness sue the Watchtower Society for Civil Rights violations?

by Balaamsass in

i have been on boards and run businesses, and been reminded by more than one cpa and attorney to cross ts and dot i s regarding corporate requirements or we would become liable to lawsuits.. therefore, my questions to any attorneys and cpas, and the keen minds on this board, are the following;.

i have been reading old threads on this site about watchtower society irregularities regarding tax filings with state and federal agencies.

evidently, a number of filings for different years were identical (unlikely if not impossible) or missing.

Balaamsass

BTT

Question: Does anyone know how does one get a BIG firm to accept a newsworthy case Pro-Bono ?

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Any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

does anyone here have any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the watchtower bible and tract society?

mom gave a lot of money to the watchtower bible and tract society over her lifetime- (6 figures).

after she ran low on funds she made a 5 figure "conditional loan" to wtb&ts.

Balaamsass

BTR, These every year their is a drive in the KM to get more loans. These are made without interest. Millions are collected and redeposited in interest bearing accounts and placed in the markets to earn a profit. The WTBTS has been particpating in hedge fund activity in a big way..not just realestate. The attendence at the London events is public record. Major US brokerage houses can't get invited at times! BIG MONEY. Regardless of the $$ earned on these deposits, they pay 0 for them, so the internal rate of return is basicly infinate. Hedge funds can have incredible rates of return. Sometimes people die and the heirs do not know about these loans..sometimes the WTBS can influence the givers to forgive the loan..or place hurdles to slow the process..look at us. We will get her money back, but will probably get disfellowshiped doing it!!

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Any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

does anyone here have any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the watchtower bible and tract society?

mom gave a lot of money to the watchtower bible and tract society over her lifetime- (6 figures).

after she ran low on funds she made a 5 figure "conditional loan" to wtb&ts.

Balaamsass

Thanks for the input everyone. I live in an "all parties state" for recording, of course LEO can record secretly. In my experience recording WTBTS is a waste of time. When I was a loyal Elder I had to contact the service Dept and other Departments from time to time. When I worked at Bethel I had a buddy on the desk at the service dept. They are paranoid about recording, and usually answer questions with a question or answer cryptically. Of course they want to know EVERYTHING about you before they will answer the call. Nothing forthright or open about the guys at the desks ( My buddy hated the job- he feared god- and eventually left). Even when dealing with clear felonies, murder and child abuse these guys would not go on record over the phone. Now that I stopped drinking the Kool-Aid, I realize how slimy it all is.

I bet later this week any new requests for loan repayment get a response..at least for a few months. So keep PMing me those leads. Thanks!

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Any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society?

by Balaamsass in

does anyone here have any suggestions on handling financial abuse of a senior by the watchtower bible and tract society?

mom gave a lot of money to the watchtower bible and tract society over her lifetime- (6 figures).

after she ran low on funds she made a 5 figure "conditional loan" to wtb&ts.

Balaamsass

Thanks for the input everyone.

1. Publicity, the title on this thread showed on Goggle alerts today..worldwide..even at WTBTS.

2. I had a long discussion with an attorney friend. I also consulted with an attorney who represented the Catholic Church. I put a call into a larger big city firm too late for a Friday. I doubt we are the ONLY ones, the treasures office seemed too "slick" and "cagey" on the phone for this to be an isolated case. If we can find a half dozen other victims, and show a "pattern of abuse" we can get some real traction with an Attorney General and the press. Using the full power of the State in a criminal case is the way to go if at all possible. We save time and money- and hey didn't they put in print..they "never discourage JWs from reporting abuse to authorities" ? Recording is illegal, and they are very careful.

3. Yes I have a paper trail. We also have P.O.A. I also have the "Conditional Loan" pamphlet from WTBTS. We are within Statute. We have attempted to mitigate and made demand. Not sure about correct venue. I would prefer to have venue be in NY state, so the N.Y. state A.G. could pursue it criminally as Elder financial abuse, and make a arrest in N.Y. State, along with access to NYC media (Which GB member would look best in an Orange Jumpsuit? ). Perhaps a 20/20, Dateline, or 60 minutes follow-up to the child abuse specials of the 90s. I had dragged my feet on this because I knew they will fight nasty and disfellowship us. However I realize now any group that would systematically defraud elderly widows are not Christians, or even decent human beings.

4. Perhaps this bad publicity, will cause some families with seniors to forbid mom and dad to make future loans or "conditional gifts" to WTS and call-in current loans. An Elderly JW hearing about Billion Dollar real estate profits and noncollectable loans might think twice about loaning $$ to WTBS. The bad press and investigation could cost WTBS MILLIONS in donations and loans.

5. I have a favor to ask of everyone. Please keep this thread alive, talk it up with those who might have loaned $$ to WTBS and PM me any specific cases you hear about so the AG /attorneys can contact them quietly. Understand that WTBS legal also has goggle alerts and began trolling this thread early this morning. We are taking on a Battleship of $$ and attorneys, so our only chance at this is to slip underwater like a submarine until we can put an unexpected torpedo into the engine room. I will not be able to give away location, law firm, updates, or strategy beyond what I posted today. Thanks a million everyone !

Love- The ass