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  I have a question for any ex or current elder or co.

  by blindnomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 how long does the society keep records of publishers diciplinery actions at cong level and at the branch ?.

  2 how would you respond to the society's claim that they are not responsible for the criminal actions of the rank and file?.

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  Balaamsass

  I thought about Flippers comments. The COBE gets the mail. A number of times thing were missing from the files. Since the ENVELOPE has the names and dates and "do not destroy" on it...it is entirely possible for ANY elder to get into the file and REMOVE, READ, or DESTROY files. If the envelope is gone, and people have stepped down or moved NO ONE would miss it unless they were on the original commitee...or someone counted those envelopes like baseball cards....not likely. humm.

  Surprizingly in one congregation I was in with a "shady P.O.", some of the Child Molesting letters from Bethel were missing,(more complete sets are online!) Also any envelopes regarding his or his best friends family members were missing. The files were a mess when I got them. Later he and another Elder were removed and disfellowshiped. Apparently he liked informal witnessing with the ladies.......of the evening.

  No checks and balances like the private sector or the courts. Many files could be doctored, or have a little cut and paste and copy machine repairs.

  I would expect some congregations are buying heavy duty shredders after the Candance Conti verdict. I would expect a number of Elders to use "theocratic stratigy" to preserve homes, savings and retirement accounts.

  Take me for example- I am on here. 90% of the brothers I served with are disfellowshiped, removed, moved out of area, or dead.
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  Another Watchtower property on the Market...Come and get it!

  by Momma-Tossed-Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  take a look!.

  $3.4 million .

  http://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/44739.

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  Balaamsass

  Thanks - Got the link. "COHI" corporation. A five-story, 5,088-square-foot residential building at 67 Remsen Street—ironically, abutting the back of organization’s recently sold Bossert Hotel.
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  Another Watchtower property on the Market...Come and get it!

  by Momma-Tossed-Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  take a look!.

  $3.4 million .

  http://brooklynheightsblog.com/archives/44739.

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  Balaamsass

  Cool...... what address? What is the name of the corporation?
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  I have a question for any ex or current elder or co.

  by blindnomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 how long does the society keep records of publishers diciplinery actions at cong level and at the branch ?.

  2 how would you respond to the society's claim that they are not responsible for the criminal actions of the rank and file?.

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  Balaamsass

  The "Flock Book" is on pdf.

  In the real world, "sexual misconduct" is not a crime. Are you talking disfellowshipping or Private reproof? Disfellowshippings get recorded and sent to Bethel. I doubt they ever shred ANYTHING, despite what they say. The local file is put in a sealed envelope with the parties names & date on the outside and filed in a locked file cabinent at the Kingdom Hall. NO ONE ever cleans those things out (few working JWs are that organized-at least that I met). Perhaps some time in the future an organized, retired, Secretary or C.O.B.E. will check the date, open it read the whole thing and decide to shred it. If the shedder is working.

  In the real world the letter that follows you is written by the Secretary. If he is a normal, busy, OK guy, it will be short and vanilla. If a problem was "normal" misconduct (adult male/female) and it was 3 years ago or so, he will follow the latest "RULE". If he or the C.O. B. E. has an ax to grind you may get a mean letter, or a vanilla letter with a phone # to call him so he can smear you verbally. In the real world it seemed Elders who had beefs got longer letters than wife beaters! I only ONCE got a letter about a child molester...the 2 others in the hall slipped through the cracks!

  I was a secretary for years. It all depends. I once got mailed a letter for a brother moving in. It was on a napkin with block printing "Good Brother" Christian Love...... I guess his printer was out of paper? 3rd gens letter was "Nice Sister..has some problems" Christian Love....... LOL!!
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  Question: Why would the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society "launder" money?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have a question for any legal or tax experts out there.

  i have read a number of experiences about the wtbt$ moving money rapidly from one account to another.

  overnight parking of huge sums, from one enity to another, to local congr, etc.

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  Balaamsass

  Mind Blow, Most countries have handsome rewards for information..........
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  Candace Conti v. Watchtower Society - Closing Argument by WTBTS Attorney

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  jane doe v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. .

  jury trial - june 14, 2012 - day 10. .

  mr. schnack: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the judge has instructed you that it is your choice to award or not to award punitive damages.

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  Balaamsass

  LOL- Billy and Barb, perhaps he is one of those evil Catholic attorneys and lost the case on purpose!
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  Question: Why would the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society "launder" money?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have a question for any legal or tax experts out there.

  i have read a number of experiences about the wtbt$ moving money rapidly from one account to another.

  overnight parking of huge sums, from one enity to another, to local congr, etc.

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  Balaamsass

  The California State Board of Equalization HAS quite a web-site. A 70+ page booklet regarding property tax exemtions. Now THAT might hold a key. Seems that the State appears to be more aggresive than the IRS. Sued quite a few organizations, very strict rules for religions and a "TIP" line.......hummmmmmmm. They even made the YMCA pay taxes on "food services" because it had nothing to do with "worship".

  Perhaps the now "broke" state of California would be upset over a NYC publishing company flipping California Real Estate, selling Halls and Assembly Halls, and leaving town with all the tax $$$...??
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  Question: Why would the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society "launder" money?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have a question for any legal or tax experts out there.

  i have read a number of experiences about the wtbt$ moving money rapidly from one account to another.

  overnight parking of huge sums, from one enity to another, to local congr, etc.

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  Balaamsass

  Thanks for the links!

  IRS 4.76.7 Church Tax Inquiries and Examinations - IRC § 7611 4.76.7.1 Introduction 4.76.7.2 Church Tax Inquiry Inquiries Procedures 4.76.7.3 Situations in Which IRC § 7611 Procedures Do Not Apply 4.76.7.4 Church Tax Inquiry 4.76.7.5 Notice of Examination 4.76.7.6 Scope of Examination 4.76.7.7 Summons 4.76.7.8 Report of Examination and Mandatory Review Requirements 4.76.7.9 Time Limits 4.76.7.10 Referrals to State Attorneys General 4.76.7.11 Claims to Church Status 4.76.7.12 Coordination of IRC § 170(c) Deduction Cases 4.76.7.13 Coordinated Procedures 4.76.7.14 Legal Considerations 4.76.7.15 Church Related Private School Examinations Exhibit 4.76.7-1 IRC § 7611 Church Case Time Limits and Approvals Cover Sheet Exhibit 4.76.7-2 Church Tax Inquiry Letter Exhibit 4.76.7-3 Statement of Administrative and Constitutional Rights Exhibit 4.76.7-4 Follow up Church Tax Inquiry Notice Letter Exhibit 4.76.7-5 Notice of Church Examination Exhibit 4.76.7-6 No Change Notification Letter to Organization Recognized Exempt - No Examination Exhibit 4.76.7-7 No-Change Notification Letter to Organization Not Recognized Exempt - No Examination Exhibit 4.76.7-8 Transmittal of Notice of Examination Memorandum to Counsel Exhibit 4.76.7-9 No Change Notification Letter - Organization Recognized as Exempt Exhibit 4.76.7-10 No Change Notification Letter - Organization Not Recognized as Exempt Exhibit 4.76.7-11 No Change Closing Letter - Organization Not Recognized as Exempt and Examination Could Not Be Completed in Two Year Period Exhibit 4.76.7-12 No Change Closing Letter - Organization Recognized as Exempt and Examination Could Not Completed in Two Year Period Exhibit 4.76.7-13 Consent to Suspend the Period to Conduct a Church Tax Examination Exhibit 4.76.7-14 Suspension of Two-Year Period Due to Delays in Organization Providing Requested Information
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  Question: Why would the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society "launder" money?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i have a question for any legal or tax experts out there.

  i have read a number of experiences about the wtbt$ moving money rapidly from one account to another.

  overnight parking of huge sums, from one enity to another, to local congr, etc.

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  Balaamsass

  I have a question for any legal or tax experts out there. I have read a number of experiences about the WTBT$ moving money rapidly from one account to another. Overnight parking of HUGE sums, from one enity to another, to local Congr, etc. A Menlo Park JW called it "laundering".

  From what I have read, Religions in the USA can pretty much do as they please and report little to the government. Why bother moving cash around between Wells Fargo, Chase, and Hedge funds. It does not make any sense to me at first glance. Religion is the biggest tax shelter scam going in America, why would anyone care what they do with thier money ?

  I know sometimes companies move $$ around to avoid a judgment seizure, but I have not read anything like that. Fractional intrest differences when huge amounts are concerned with money markets might be a motive.

  What am I missing? What could the WTBTS do.... that the IRS could ever possibly exploit? Someone educate me....
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  Question? Do you know of any “statutory rape”, or “Child Molestation” cases handled as “Consensual sex “(fornication) by Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Judicial Committees?

  by Balaamsass in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i was talking about this with the mrs., and we can recount at least half dozen cases in the last 20 years of adult j.w.

  men having sex with teenage boys or girls.

  not only were the police not informed, but also the victim was treated as a guilty party in fornication.

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  Balaamsass

  Some of my questions are touched upon in the " Telememo" thread. Wow. I had no I idea they printed a FORM for all the calls....

  The Rosetta stone of the governing body’s state of mind regarding Child abuse is the “Child Abuse Telememo”; Question number #9. “How many Elders felt the victim was somewhat at fault or willingly participated in the act?”

  The CHILD wanted it????

  excuse me while I vomit......