Posts by Whynot

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No Bible = No God?

by menrov in

some doubt about the bible completely, some partially.

what if the bible turns out to be a product of humans, nothing divine.

would you still believe in a creator?.

Whynot

My faith or belief in an eternal being or God is not based on the Bible so No, I wouldn't stop believing in God.

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For those who still think the Bible is useful for arriving at any conclusions about life or anything else!

by doubtfull1799 in

"both read the bible day & night, but thou read black where i read white.".

- william blake.

There are a lot of parts of the Bible I find deeply disturbing. I didn't realize how much they bothered me until I started reading the Bible to my son. So I decided to just teach him about Jesus and the Golden Rule. We go over Jewish traditions and holidays. We also like Proverbs. But I can't say it's the foundation of my faith. Since waking up I had to shift my faith to something I can feel and can't be tampered with so not religion nor the Bible. I still refer to proverbs but mostly Jesus when I feel I need direction.

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Refusing to Report time in field ministry

by Whynot in

what do you think would happen if i verbally refuse to report my time?

it's been several months since i turned in my time and i think the elder got tired of asking me lol.

frankly, i think it's stupid that jws are required to do this.

Whynot

My husband is starting to wake up gradually. He wants to come back just so his friends talk to him again, hang out etc.

He was shocked at first and actually shut me down each time I would try to make him think for himself. But after years of trying he finally started to take me seriously.

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Refusing to Report time in field ministry

by Whynot in

what do you think would happen if i verbally refuse to report my time?

it's been several months since i turned in my time and i think the elder got tired of asking me lol.

frankly, i think it's stupid that jws are required to do this.

Whynot

I haven't been in field service in over a year. I don't intend to either. It just doesn't feel right.

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Why the organisation is angry at me

by Alex Bogdanov in

jw
friends

my name is alex bogdanov.

i am the author of if only.

it was published a month ago.

Whynot

I can't find your book. Any links?

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Refusing to Report time in field ministry

by Whynot in

what do you think would happen if i verbally refuse to report my time?

it's been several months since i turned in my time and i think the elder got tired of asking me lol.

frankly, i think it's stupid that jws are required to do this.

Whynot

What do you think would happen if I verbally refuse to report my time? It's been several months since I turned in my time and I think the elder got tired of asking me lol. Frankly, I think it's stupid that JWs are required to do this. It's a made up manmade rule like everything else. But I feel that if I tell the elders that I no longer wish to report my time they will start a witch hunt. I live a few minutes away from the KH, my father is an elder. I'm thinking of moving my publisher card to another KH and not attend just to get them off of me. I haven't been to a meeting in a year and I just don't want to go back to the man made rituals. Any suggestions?

My hubby is DF but wants to get reinstated. I just want to fade. I am still a believer but not in religion.

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Translation Please

by jwundubbed in

jw
friends

i hate asking stupid or obvious questions, but i missed something somewhere along the line.

what is pimi and pomi?

did i even get the acronyms correct?

Whynot

PIMI : Physically in, mentally in

Pimo : Physically in, mentally out

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We are giving too much power to the watchtower

by sinboi in

i am just 17. many of you here are much older than me.. i do feel that offering advice here is like teaching my father how to fuck.

but seriously, i do see the problem here.

we are focusing more on the problem than the solution.. i have been reading mind power books for quite some time.

Whynot

You are very lucky to still be able to talk to your family. I'm not disfellowshipped yet my JW parents told me they could no longer babysit my children because my husband is disfellowshipped. I'm not invited even to family gatherings anymore. You're parents sound very reasonable. The congregation avoids me when they see me in public but have no problem talking to me and hugging me at the kingdom hall.

I agree that it is very annoying when ex-JWs see themselves as victims way longer than they should. It's absolutely normal to go through a victim phase but they must get out of that to move forward in life and be happy. I do admire the ones that move forward and decide to help others.

The longer and deeper you are in the religion the more difficult it is to leave and even tougher it is to deprogram, get out of the victim phase. These people need extra support and love because their whole life has been built on the organization. It's absolutely normal to go through this phase and shouldn't be criticized. Same thing happens when people go to college for 5 years or more and end up unemployed and not being able to find a job, or to a person who has had a reliable career based on a company/corporation for many many years and suddenly they get laid off. It changes their whole life drastically.

At 17 you are barely starting to build a life for yourself. Sometimes you don't even know where to start building. 17 is a very fun stage in life. The books you are reading are informative but you can't get to fully understand how it feels being in the actual situation most of us here experience. That's how life is though. You can't judge someone and their reaction, decisions unless you yourself have experienced it in the way they have.

Btw I do think it's great that you started this journey early. You're saving yourself a lot of pain. Plus you seem to have a great attitude and supportive parents. A lot here will not agree with your point of views and that's ok. Don't let that bother you.

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On and off again JW girlfriend

by Crzysin in

hello everyone, i have an on and off again ex who is a jw.

each time her family gets involved and she's gone again.

i'm debating biting the bullet and doing the work to become baptized, so we can follow through with our engagement.

Whynot

She's 31 and is still being manipulated by her family. This will definitely continue after marriage and I promise you, it will cause A LOT of problems. I have seen a lot of marriages fail by letting family meddle and manipulate. Why do you want a marriage like this? I know it can be difficult to find a decent partner but you shouldn't have to sacrifice your dignity in order to be in a relationship.

Why do you keep getting back with her? If I were you I would give her an ultimatum. She's too old to be acting like a child and letting others dictate her life. You don't need someone like that, I'm sorry. You may want to analyze and ask yourself why you keep getting back together with her. I don't know you but it's defintely not healthy to want to marry someone like this woman. You're willing to sacrifice a lot for her and it sounds like she's not doing much for you.

Fyi: I have worked for a divorce attorney for 10 years. I have seen your kind of relationships fail very frequently. If they stay together it's usually because one of them is always putting up with all the crap. Eventually they get fed up and leave or stay and suffer from all kinds of emotional and mental issues.

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Affected by assembly

by Saltheart Foamfollower in

hi - first some context - i have been pimo for about 20 years now and so have been to a lot of assemblies in that time.

last weekend i went to a circuit assembly and for the first time afterwards i was able to talk directly to someone who knows i'm out.

i realised then that although i didn't agree with any teachings (i sat picking holes in the arguements as usual) the experience of being there had affected me - the way of life started feeling normal as did the overall way of viewing the world.

Whynot

It's absolutely normal for this to happen. It happens to people who get out of abusive relationships too. Deprogramming can take a lifetime. Personally, I don't like watching YouTube videos or reading ex-JW books but I am more focused as to the process of what's happening emotionally and mentally. Books like The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse, Combating Cult Mind Control really help analyze the power this cult has and how it connects to your thoughts. I feel it helps me understand the level of control the cult has over me and what I need to do to continue deprogramming. It also helps to identify the tactics and manipulation they use and how to reject it.