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why do jw's think that by behaving weridly they are giving a "good witness"?

by highdose in

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you know when they refuse to attend family functions that invole anything religous, won't chink glasses, won't allow their children any freedom etc.

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from their perspective they think they are setting "a fine example" and givng a "good witness" the outsiders just think they are bat crazy but the jw's just can't see it???

truth_b_known

Since the days of Charles T. Russell and especially with Rutherford, the Watch Tower Society promotes ways to go to extreme lengths to be different. The reason giving usually has to do with Jesus' saying that he was no part of "the world" and neither are his people. The reality is that it is nothing more than a marketting tool.

Humans are naturally curious. When someone is acting different people want to know why. So, when someone asks one of Jehovah's Witnesses why they refuse to participate in [insert normal, accepted activity here] the Witness is given a pass to repeat their doctrine in hopes to convert you.

This brings up another related point. Why is it that the difference is always negative? That is to say, the difference in Witnesses is a refusal to do something. It's never a matter of something that they do.

Witnesses may respond: "That's not true. We are the only one's involved in a worldwide preaching work."

My response is, "Wrong!"

I get more Baptists knocking on my door wanting to talk about the Bible than I do Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Brother tells Elders "fermented Coke" made him get a drink driving charge???? LOL!!

by Witness 007 in

yes a brother was interrigated by the s.s elders in a local ethnic cong.

for getting arrested while driving under the influence of alcohol....to save his privleges he says that he had no alcohol at all, but did drink from an old bottle of coke which must have "fermented" into alcohol in his stomach...... maybe one of the best bullcrap stories i ever heard.....we need more honest elders like him in jehovahs "clean organisation..

truth_b_known

I spend almost every Monday in jury trial on a Driving While Intoxicated case. The BS factor in this claim is off the chart. Generally a person will not show horizontal gaze nystagmus in their eyes until they are a .08 BAC.

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What are the worst pictures in My Book of Bible Stories?

by cedars in

a few comments from muddy waters and mummatron on another thread peaked my curiosity and led me to revisit some of the illustrations in the my book of bible stories.

i don't appear to have my old copy from when i was a child (thankfully), so i checked out the images over on watchtower.org where the entire book can be read online.

the images below are taken from what is displayed on that website, although it wouldn't surprise me if there are equally awful images that haven't been used.. so which of the images below are the most grotesque and inappropriate for children?

truth_b_known

I remember my father throwing out my comic books because they portrayed violence and demonic images. Even at that early age I saw it as the pot calling the kettle black.

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YHWH Commanding To Kill Other Tribes' Children Morally = Molech Child Sacrifice?

by InterestedOne in

for those who feel yhwh is good, is his commanding his chosen people to kill the children of other tribes morally equal to or very close to morally equal to (i.e.

just as bad as) molech commanding his people to kill their children?

yes or no?

truth_b_known

If YHWH commands it then it's righteous. That is the standard Jehovah's Witnesses excuse for the hypocrisy.

Why was it ok to for Israelites to participate in warfare on behalf of the nation of Israel against other nations, but Jehovah's Witnesses are forbidden from military service? JW answer: "Well, that was righteous warfare commanded by Jehovah."

How many times does the Watch Tower use the Old Testament Mosiac Law to condemn something, but at the same time state that we are no longer held to that law due to Jesus new covenant? Jehovah says if someone enters your tent during the night time and you kill the intruder it's ok, but you're blood guilty if you kill someone to protect yourself or any other innocent. I'm confused.

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March 1st WT

by undercover in

there's an article in the new public edition entitled, "should you trust your first impressions?".

in the article there's the sub-headings, "judging by appearance" and "appearances can be deceptive".

the main import of the article is to impress upon the non-jw to not pre-judge jws based on pre-convieved notions.

truth_b_known

The word Christian come from the Greek word for "Follower of Christ". Therefore, there is no such things as a "Christian religion". You are either a follower of Jesus or you are not.

Prior to the term "Christian" Jesus' followers were referred as people who followed "The Way". "The Way" referred to the fact that it was a way of life. This means followin Jesus teachings is similiar to the way Buddhists follow Buddha's teachings.

Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians because, in order for that statement to be true, they would all have to be following Jesus' teachings. If just one person who identifies him or herself as a Witness and lives a life not in harmony with Jesus the entire group cannot be rightfully called Christian. Jesus never taught that his teachings were a named religion.

Here are some additional questions to ask ourselves:

1) How many Kingdom Halls did Jesus build and teach from?

2) What new publications did Jesus produce for his followers to use in teaching?

3) What name did Jesus give his followers to seperate themselves from those who did not follow him?

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The Governing Body was at the meeting tonight

by wannabefree in

i gave in and went to the meeting tonight.

first thursday meeting in a couple of months ...

the whole congregation bible/book study was praise and worship of the governing body!.

truth_b_known

The robot-zombie, rank & file sheeple will follow it all without thinking twice or even thinking at all. After all, it's better to do what ever Simon says (i.e. Governing Body) than be shunned for being awake and think independantly.

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Jehovah's Witness bogus NEUTRALITY claims during war examined

by Terry in

this detailed article presents a large number of give and take propositions, suppositions and conjectures.. it challenges ray franz chapter in crises of conscience on jw policy for mexico/malawi, et al.. http://settingtherecordstraight.wordpress.com/category/ray-franzs-conscience-not-really-in-crisis/.

the important fact missing from the consideration and analysis is that the watchtower society privately advised draft age brothers who were facing draft problems.

i was personally taken aside, for example, by the congregation overseer and his assistant to the kingdom hall library.

truth_b_known

Neutrality is a mythical concept used in an attempt to avoid conflict. Those who stay out of a conflict are basically saying,"I support whomever wins."

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untitled

by myusername in

this is just my personal opinion and maybe there's a grain of truth in it.

it's my opinion that many ex-jws focus too much on how corrupt the religion is.

it is corrup but there are always going to be organizations like that.

truth_b_known

My father became a Witness in his late 20's and my mother is a born. As such, I was raised in the religion along with my siblings. I take no great joy in pointing out the flaws of the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses or any other religion. I am pretty much an athiest, now, but I have no problem with people being part of a religion.

My issue is with the fact that there is no respectible way out of the religion. You are either in and in all the way or you are out. If you are out that means all who are in are to shun you.

I realize if you are aware of the shunning aspect of the religion prior to joining that it's on you. However, how does a born-in child whose parents force them into dedication/baptism deal with this? I was a high school sophomore when my father told our congregation presiding overseer that I wanted to get baptised. What was I supposed to say when the presiding overseer asked me if that were true?

I've been inactive for about 6 years and out for the last 3 to 4 years. My parents and sister shun me. If I tell them my reasonning behind why I chose to opt out I will be labelled as an apostate and they will refuse to speak to me.

Why did I join? The word I would best use to answer that question would be "duress". The minute I graguated from high school I would have been kicked to the streets by my parents if I had not joined as a child.

If would be different if the "Truth" were the truth and I just wanted to follow my sinful heart and to hell with the consequences. The point is, it's not "the Truth" or even the truth. I've lost my relationship with my parents and sister because of it.

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How many JWs does it take...

by TheWanderer in

...to change a light bulb?

actually.... ...i have no idea.

what's your best punchline for it?.

truth_b_known

None. They'll all wait in the dark for Watch Tower to screw in their new light.

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Anointed Asinine

by cptkirk in

so what was the point of the anointed again?

the gb does not keep track of them (their opinions), they have no extra knowledge (in many cases they have less knowledge, not to mention sanity), they serve no extra role..... how many times are the flock told about "new light"?

proper food at the proper time....if being anointed serves absolutely 0 immediate purposes...what was the point of it?

truth_b_known

For the past 30+ years there has been a secret war by the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and the WTB&TS against those Witnesses who profess to be of the annointed. There are Circuit Overseers who have made it a hobby to travel around, target annointed, and work to get them disfellowshipped.

The idea is promoted that if someone was truly of the annointed the would be at Bethel and in charge of something. The reason for promoting this idea is that it helps validate attacks against those who profess to be of the annointed. Elders in prestigious positions who are not of the annointed often feel their position is threatened by those who are.

The WTB&TS turns a blind eye to it all because they have been systematically engineer things to move themselves in the position of total authority on earth. The Governing Body is becoming the Popes of Brooklyn and headquarters in New York is their Vatican. If someone asks the question, "Who is the faithful and discreet slave" be very careful how you answer.

At my father professes to be of the annointed. He was brought before a judicial committee of 3 elders, all of the "Other Sheep". They asked him who he believed the faithful and discreet slave was. He answered, "Those annointed who are still living on earth". They asked him if he thought he was part of the faithful and discreet slave. He answered, "Yes".

He was disfellowshipped with no reason given. He was reinstated about a year later, but then we had a new District Overseer come through who told the congregation elders that he was not to be called on to answer or used in anyway. That lasted until we got a new District Overseer.

The bottomline is the same as it is with anything else. A minority will always play second fiddle to the majority. You have a group of men who feel they have godlike powers inside the Kingdom Hall and want no one or nothing to interfere with it. This is because the moment they walk outside the Kingdom Hall they turn back into window washers and toilet scrubbers.

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