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Dr. Sam Harris vs. Dr. William Craig- Do not watch this if logic hurts your mind.

by whereami in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hthq6a7fzea&sns=em.

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I may be missing the point of Dr. Harris, but I think this is applicable:

First, modern man has walked the Earth in recorded history for thousands of years. Depending on what you believe to be true, it even be tens of thousands of years. The man referred to as Jesus in the New Testament shows up in the last 2000 years of man's recorded history. When he is 30 years old he spend 3.5 years preaching his philosphy, which is related to, but different than the religious beliefs of the Jews as written in the Old Testiment.

Further, the religion known as Christianity did not begin until after Jesus' death. It really didn't begin as we know it until after the Romans adopted it and changed it to suit their needs, until after Martin Lurther, and after the protestant movement. So, now that really shrinks the amount of time that "Christianity" has been around in comparison to man's hsitory.

The point is this - There is no way that, if there is a god, it is the one of the Bible. Further, the YHWH god of the Old Testament conflicts with the teachings of the alleged man and son of YHWH, Jesus. Going a step further, most professed Christians are not Christians. They're just fans. Many things condoned by Christians are in direct violation of Jesus' teachings on showing love to our fellow man.

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Circuit Assembly Confronting Apostate Challenge

by watson in

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well, i sat thru day 2 of the latest circuit assembly.

instead of having the co or do re address the "generation" confusion, they had a couple of brothers do a demonstration.

mocha break out in service, weaker brother mentions he's tired....all of the changes lately, the confusing new understanding of that generation, et al.

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That part, for some reason, reminds me of the scene in Caddyshack when Ted Knight yells at his son and says,"You'll take nothing and like it!"

Obviously there is an issue inside the organization with the rank & file accepting the latest "generation" doctrine.

Now that I think of it, this reminds me more of the scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where Sir Bedevere tells King Arthur,"...and that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana shaped."

Lastly, to call apostates "pedophiles and kidnappers" boils down to nothing more than name-calling. Actually, calling someone an apostate is name-calling. Name-calling is used when a person has no facts to support an argument.

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Leaving JW Tracts at the Funeral Visitation

by OnTheWayOut in

jw's cannot help themselves.

a couple who were very close friends with my wife and i when i was a jw had a few kids that grew up.

none of their kids remained jw despite their heavy activity while growing up.

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This just shows that many Witnesses have no conscious. That was a heartless thing to do. It was highly inappropriate and unloving. As it was unloving it is therefore scripturally unchristian.

I had a similar situation, but was not as unloving or inappropriate as the ones here as it was not a funeral. My situation was my academy graduation.

A fellow cadet was the raised by JW parents, but was completely inactive. Her parents showed up for our graduation ceremony. It just so happened that the cover story of the Awake! being placed in the ministry at that time had to deal with law enforcement. At the reception immediately following our graduation her father attemped placing that magazine were persons, mostly cops, who were in attendance. The article basically put police in a good light, but had testimonials from Witnesses who were cops, but quit to become Witnesses.

So, after months of classroom training, physical training, blood, sweat, and tears we got to proudly stand as a graduating class. Then we were greated by the moron Witness who wanted to place give us all a magazine that basically said we just wasted our time and we should all quit to become janitors so we can be a nitwit like him.

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In Atheists We Distrust-People behave better when they think that God is watching over them

by whereami in

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=in-atheists-we-distrust.

in atheists we distrustsubjects believe that people behave better when they think that god is watching over them.

by daisy grewal | january 17, 2012 | 116. shareemailprintfor jobs that require a lot of trust, people tend to prefer the faithfulimage: istock/classix.

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This just lends to the theory that man created religion as a tool to control the masses.

In my line of work we define "Integrity" as: "Doing the right thing, even when no one is looking." That has to include a god. Otherwise it implies that you only did the right thing because a god was watching you.

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No More Missionaries

by Lunatic Faith in

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has anyone heard about this?

we received an email from an old friend who is still an elder and doesn't know what we are up to.

"a change, they are no longer training missionaries and sending them into foreign fields.

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So, if I read this correctly, the WTB&TS is no longer using it's resources to preach the "good news to all the nations". Rather, it is turning Gilead into a school to produce more commissars. That's all Circuit Overseers are; politcal officers who make sure the rank & file are following the wishes of the Governing Body.

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Is there a new sense of urgency due to 2012 ?

by av8orntexas in

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i haven't attended the meetings on a regular basis,since about 2008. a meeting period in about 2 years.. .

probably 6 months ago i ran into a brother, whom was working at a local grocery store.

he was making a delivery as a vendor,somehow we got to talking,religion came up and he found out i am a jw, though i told hime i no longer attend.

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My father made a comment about 6 months ago. He said something like, "There isn't much time to come back. We may shortly see a time where the doors will be closed to Jehovah's earthly organization." That's what caused me to start looking into this website.

I thought that maybe this past year's District Convestion may have promoted the above idea. Turns out that there wasn't a single new thought at the DC. In fact, I remember getting the tract dealing with Daniel's vision of the statue for the DC. It sounds like that whole thing was a huge marketting gimmick.

Since the 19th century the Watch Tower Society has been saying, "The end is so close." Yes, over a period of 3 centuries that warning has been given. 3 centuries!

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Menlo Park KH Lawsuit Dismissed

by Gayle in

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This sort of thing happens all the time. A valid suit is filed, but it is filed in a court of a higher jurisdiction than required. I guarentee it will be filed in a California Superior Court if it has not already.

I read up on this case and noticed that one of the persons named as Plaintiff is Walter St. Clair. I wonder if he is related to Wendel(sp?) St. Clair the Circuit Overseer who terrorized northern California for years back in the 90's.

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"We are not allowed to have credit cards."

by OnTheWayOut in

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i was traveling and used my credit card to buy a gift at the airport.. so the lady behind the counter flips my credit card over to look at the signature and it says "see i.d.

" where my signature belonged.

she asked for the i.d.. .

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The Mosaic Law prohibitted charging interest on loans. That's all I can think of.

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Do you recall any disputes during the development of the New Song Book?

by Quarterback in

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i seem to recall someone mentioning to me that george benson assisted with some of the work on the new song book.. then he left the assignment after an argument with the team.

is there any thing that anyone remembers about that one?.

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My first and only experience with the new songbook was at the 2010 memorial. I had no clue a new songbook had been released. The opening song of the memorial used to be my favorite song. The new version was horrible.

I get the feeling that the songs were written so that they could be sung faster by having shorter songs. I believe this all has to deal with the cramming of multiple meetings into one night.

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Watchtower Theology is based on inauthentic foundation: proof texts

by Terry in

watchtower theology is propped up by proof texts.. if the texts are inspired, the watchtower claims it is empowered to reveal the meaning.. but--consider how flimsy, inauthentic and unprovable the foundation of this teaching really is.. .

consider the difference (if any) in meaning between these two renderings.. .

1.all scripture is inspired by god and useful for teaching, reproving and setting things straight.. .

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"All Scripture IS inspired by God and useful for teaching, reproving and setting things straight."

We must remember that the above scripture was written before the Bible was put together. How many books were written that were not put into the canonical Bible? Are those books inspired and beneficial? What about the Apocryphal books?

It was the Catholic church decided which books would be put into the Bible and those that would be excluded. So, was the Catholic church the Faithful and Discreet Slave and was it providing spiritual food at the proper time by doing that?

Jehovah's Witnesses also defend the Bible by saying that it is not a book of science, but that it speaks of things scientifically correct before they were accepted by mankind. This is hypocritical.

Consider the book of Genesis and the account of the global flood. A global flood is physically impossible. In order for there to be enough water on the earth to cover it's surface, the mass of the earth would change and therefor change the earth's orbit.

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