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  So, how did the 'beard article' go over yesterday at your congregation?

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  at mine the conductor was somewhat awkward and minimal and there were nervous chuckles from the audience.

  two people, including an elder, gave reasonable comments that it's okay as long as it's not extreme styles, etc.

  but then another one of the elders commented that nothing has changed and they still aren't proper locally.

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  truth_b_known

  How can something be acceptable geographically? Either Jehovah accepts it or not.
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  Proverbs 4:18 "light gets brighter"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  we are all familiar with the classic use by the society of proverbs 4:18 about "light getting brighter".

  they say it applies to revealed truth, and doctrinal changes etc.. have you ever just read that chapter (and even the surrounding chapters) in full??.

  it has nothing to do with doctrinal changes or teachings.. it has to do with acquiring wisdom and life skills in order to live a successful life.

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  truth_b_known

  Even if the scripture meant what the organization says it does, the doctrine is not applied accordingly.

  I always appreciated this comparison -

  Light getting brighter (what it means)

  I see an object. It looks like a car. It's a 4-door sedan. It's a blue 4-door sedan. It's a blue Toyota sedan.

  Light getting brighter (as it really happens with the WBTS)

  Jesus said drive a car. Jesus said drive a 4-door sedan. Jesus said drive a Cadillac. A Cadillac is a showy display of one's means, so drive a Ford Focus. Jesus walked everywhere he went, so don't drive - walk!
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  "It's a cult, mom."

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  my mom has been extensively texting me, trying to argue that the un ngo scandal is not a big deal and that the child abuse scandal is to instigate the great tribulation.

  even worse, she kept saying how great it is that the gb is imperfect and fallible and that teaching changes all the time.

  maybe it was aggravation or impatience, but i finally just snapped and told her, "it's a cult, mom.".

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  truth_b_known

  Shunning = cult.

  If its the truth, why fear criticism?

  Fear. Fear of isolation via shunning, fear of death at Armageddon, fear of no resurrection is at the root of such behavior.
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  Watchtower's "New Light" re Babylonish Captivity, November 2016 WT

  by Room 215 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  has anyone noticed the wt's most recent shell-game revisionism in the november study tractazine, relating to the shifting of its "babylonish captivity" doctrine, from a 3 1/2-year period around the ww 1 years, to a period now spanning about 16 centuries, or from the 4th century (constantine's legal recognition of christianity) to 1919?.

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  truth_b_known

  That's news to me. Then again, I haven't picked up a Watchtower in over a decade.

  Nothing ceases to amaze with the world class flip-flopping WTBS.

  Remember - they are self-proclaimed imperfect people who are not spirit inspired and get things wrong on a regular basis. However, you better believe what they say as Truth or you'll never see you family again.
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  Sex & Divorce

  by IMHO in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  1. you can't have sex until your married.. 2. you're not married until you've gone through a legal ceremony.. 3. you get 'unscriptually' (although legally) divorced therefore not 'free' to remarry'.

  4. can you still 'scriptually' have sex with your former spouse?.

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  truth_b_known

  This subject is interesting and exposes the mindset of the organization.

  Elders who conducted marriage ceremonies always make a big deal about getting the couple to sign their license immediately after they are married. They stress over this because they are afraid the couple will sneak off for a post wedding ceremony quickie.

  The bottom line is - you're not married until the earthly authorities say you are.

  This makes no sense. When I got married the elder droned on for 20 minutes about how marriage is God's arrangement and it is a gift from God. Which is it?

  What if you're married in a country that has no marriage license and then move to one that does? The organization says you have to get a marriage license or else!
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  Hillary Clinton Winning total vote count but loses the Election

  by RubaDub in

  1. social
  2. current

  do those of you outside the usa find it odd that in a presidential election, the total number of people casting votes means nothing?

  there is a method we use here called the electoral college based on each state rather than the total votes cast by actual people.. this is, i believe the 5th time in america's history that the person with the most votes lost the election (the last was in 2000 when al gore beat george w. bush by about 400,000 votes but lost the election).. so hillary (at the moment i last checked) had overall about 200,000 more votes nationwide but lost.. i'm sure a lot of people in other countries scratch their heads when they see this happening.. rub a dub.

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  The United States of America is not, nor has it ever been, a democracy. It is a constitutional republic.

  When you study and gain understanding of how the electoral college works, it makes sense and is a safeguard.
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  Oh, no. Not the election.........

  by punkofnice in

  1. social
  2. current

  just to set the scene; i loathe politicians.

  i am revulsed by people like trump, clinton, merkel, may and uncle tom cobleigh an' all.. however, i have a question about something that someone said.

  i've googled it but couldn't locate.. now, i know you folks will give me a specific answer.....and sorry to bring up that usa election.

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  truth_b_known

  The United States of America is not and has never been a democracy. Democracy doesn't work.

  The United States of America is a constitutional republic. That is to say, we are ruled by laws that apply to all persons and we elect representatives to make, enforce, and interpret those laws.

  https://www.prageru.com/courses/political-science/popular-vote-vs-electoral-college
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  GB "... it can make mistakes when explaining the Bible ..." Simplified version WT Feb 2017

  by freddo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  study article: who is leading god's people today?

  start of paragraph 12.. standard version: "the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.

  therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.".

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  truth_b_known

  This is a confession of blood guilt whether they know it or not.
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  Newly out, am I shunning them before they shun me?

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have indeed made the truth my own, and i am never going back to jehovah's witnesses.

  the fact now is that talking about this religion with someone who believes it makes me sort of angry.

  it raises my blood pressure.

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  truth_b_known

  You and I are in a similar boat. I was never DFed. I faded. Before my fade was complete I was shunned by friends I had for decades.

  The only person in the congregation who would speak to me was my father. When he did speak to me, he talked to me like I was a Witness or a Bible study. That hurt.

  You cannot reason with them. You are dealing with faith. Faith is belief. Belief is opinion. It is not based on facts.

  It hurts, but in the end you got your life back. Over 30 years of my life was wasted in that cult. I still have plenty of time to enjoy life.
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  Did anyone vote yet?

  by NewYork44M in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i voted today in nyc.

  a well organized process.

  very busy and most of the people voting were african american.

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  truth_b_known

  Yes. I started about a year after I woke up and left the organization. That was about 10 years ago.