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  Wall Street Journal on JWs

  by teenyuck in

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  i recently subscribed to the wall street journal online.

  i found an editorial written by a senior editor, who was a jw!!.

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  Its ironic that the organization who works so hard to set the precedent for free speech, is in actuality, the most intollerent of those who choose to employ it. Simply amazing! om

  Edited by - openminded on 11 November 2002 13:2:27
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  JW's Should Start Their Own Country!

  by nonjwalltheway in

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  2. experiences

  jehovas' witnesses are an interesting group.

  they enjoy the freedoms and liberties that they receive by living in the united states, but at the same time they refuse to partake in voting, national celebrations and have basically created their own nation within a nation.

  i find it hypocritical for them to act in this manner and believe that they should gather from around the world and all go and live together on some island.

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  Bella states:

  "All I'm saying is that God isn't someone you should question because he is so much more powerful than you can imagine. And to put him to the test and question his authority is like asking him to get rid of you at armagedon. "

  Fear is a wonderful motivator, dont ya think.

  Getting rid of people? It seems that if God is soooo powerful, that he could come up with a better solution for those who question his supposed activity. But tell that to all the infants and children he has murdered in the Old Testament and they didnt even question god...oh well. om

  Edited by - openminded on 5 November 2002 11:55:55
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  JW's Should Start Their Own Country!

  by nonjwalltheway in

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  jehovas' witnesses are an interesting group.

  they enjoy the freedoms and liberties that they receive by living in the united states, but at the same time they refuse to partake in voting, national celebrations and have basically created their own nation within a nation.

  i find it hypocritical for them to act in this manner and believe that they should gather from around the world and all go and live together on some island.

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  Amen!

  Sports (mainly football, basketball, and baseball) are my #1 interest, I am very passionate about these sports. My parents tried their best to keep me out of sports. They broke down once when I was in about the 6th grade, they let me play pee-wee baseball. It was the best time of my life. I was a starter on a team that made it to the regional tournament but when the tourney came I didnt get to play because we were moving on the same day as the game. They never let me join another team. When I was in 7th grade, I was the ONLY boy in my class that wasnt on the football team.

  I was hounded in high school to play football/baseball by coaches who saw my talent but unfortunately my dipshit parents "loved" me too much to let me get involved. Instead, my time was filled with...nothing. Our house was located between the school and the practice field so twice a day I had to watch the team walk past my house. It was like my own personal hell.

  I will never understand the people and policies that had to do with keeping me away from what I love. My mother (to this day) makes no apologies for keeping me out of football as she thinks its too violent. This is the same woman who forced a pillow over my head as a child and beat me with a broomstick.

  I sorta hope there is a hell. om

  Edited by - openminded on 1 November 2002 8:44:18
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  Letter to my family

  by Elsewhere in

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  for several months now i have been writing back and forth to the service dept asking them to explain the difference between "those who simply leave the faith" and those who "went out" (disassociate).

  the reason i am curious about this is because "those who simply leave the faith" are not shunned, however those who "went out" (disassociated) are shunned.

  i have written twice and received two replies.

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  Here is a letter my brother wrote to my folks:

  You are the author of unalterable evils. My current
  remorse laid upon me has extinguished any hope I have
  in your organization and lifestyle. I am quite
  confident that the actions and deeds that you have
  bestowed upon me will perpetrate into further
  wickednesses. I have an obscure feeling that all you
  have done is far from over and this crime, by its
  enormity, should almost efface the recollection of
  past times I have shared with any of you. My
  abhorrence for what has unneccesarily been done to me
  cannot be conceived. When I reflect on your crimes
  and malice, my hatred and revenge burst all bounds of
  moderation. Explain as you will, I will never
  understand this false logic. You have chosen to
  disregard my individuallity in favor of obscure
  theological doctrine all in the name of love.
  Therefore, I have chosen not to know you. Laws bound
  me to never wreak the utmost extent of my abhorrence
  on all of you and avenge what you have done to me.
  Regardless, I could never do this on my own accord,
  laws accepting, for I am the better person. I will
  never treat any human so wretchedly as you have me.
  What is more, I will never outline a process to
  somebody to regain my favor like you have done to me.
  Either I have your favor or I don't. It is apparent I
  don't. My honesty is my last gift to you.
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  Elders admit huge numbers leaving

  by mamashel in

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  my daughters boyfriend was at his moms the other night and the elders just happened to stop by and talk with him.. anyhow, after their discussion about him and my daughter and the baby and what they are going to do, (havent been to meetings in 7 months mind you), her boyfriend told the elders that he no longer wanted to attend meetings and my daughter told them the same.. the elders admitted to them that there is a huge number of people that felt the same way, and the halls are much emptier than they ever were.. hmmm, i wonder why?.

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  Maybe because meetings are repetitive and boring, and the system doesn't allow people to express themselves (via sports/athletics in my case) as individuals.

  Not to mention the way the whole system breeds dysfunction and abuse, good grief, its funny they have as many attending as they do.

  I now realize that my parents (who helped keep JW numbers up by dragging me to meetings for years) are criminals and should have been locked up (and still should be). Instead they were able to justify (in their own twisted minds) years of severe abuse (assault and battery) by using twisted JW ideology on not sparing the rod, usurping headship, and respect for elders/parents (even if the elders/parents are sociopaths). And these are the freaks are out walking around YOUR town, talking to YOUR children about God's glorious kingdom. om

  Edited by - openminded on 29 October 2002 17:7:9
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  parental advice needed.......

  by scootergirl in

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  i have a son who is in th 4th grade.

  he is a "bigger boy"......his father is 6'2" and i am 5'10".

  james is very tall for his age and is also slightly overweight.

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  I agree with Mulan (TKD not nly provides excercise but confidence and dicipline as well). In MN, most communities offer football to boys in the 4th grade. It would not only provide excercise but also allow him to use weight to his advantage. Something to think about. om
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  The Sins of the Father: Bible Error

  by JosephAlward in

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  joe alward .

  the bible contradicts itself in the matter of punishing children for the sins of their fathers.

  in one place is says that it is strictly forbidden, but in another the lord speaks of slaughtering sons for the sins of their forefathers, and in yet another place the lord orders the murder of suckling babes.

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  witnesses take the cake at this one....and the god

  they claim has done the following in the form of a

  plague against egypt....

  Here is how trippy and evil this one is....so god

  tells moses and aaron that the first born of all shall

  be put to death. If this isnt fucked up enough...just

  to spice things up...this same ol' god requires that

  the angels...oh yes...angels doing the killing will

  only kill those first borns that do not have the blood

  of a lamb sprinkled an the door post....wow! SO lets

  just go ahead and kill another life form to save a

  life form.

  So this crazy form of mass murder was for what? Oh

  yeah, to teach all those that formely doubted that

  Jehovah is the TRUE god. So imagine, you are citizen

  joe. Living amongst a society over one million

  strong, you never catch wind of this warning. With no

  knowledge of the escape clause to save your young boy,

  you do not slaughter a lamb, most likely part of your

  live stock for subsistance. The next day, your young

  boy is a cold corpse killed by the god jehovah so that

  YOU will know that you are part of a wicked rebellious

  country...and every time you think of your dead boy,

  you will realize that you should have served the very

  god who killed him. Bullshit.
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  Should I "ex JW" SHUN my JW family??

  by curiouschristy in

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  i haven't posted in a while... been very busy lately.

  i am glad to be back though, i started reading the posts right away, and immediately felt comfort for how you guys are feeling, knowing i feel the same way.

  not many of you know my story.... but for a quick run down... i'm a disf'd jw, for about 11 yrs now, i'm 28, disf'd at the tender age of 17... my mother and sister are still in the org... they only talk to me when they want to, it doesn't have to be an important event, life or death or anything.

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  I had literally "had it" with my parents by the time I was in 4th grade. I have a natural talent for sports had a deep desire to participate in sports at a very early age. They forbid me to pursue my talent and poo pooed my passion with little thought. On top of that, they displayed a lot of sociopathic behavior and as the oldest child I got treated to the very worst of it. I put up the "good son" front with them for years and maintained a shallow relationship, based mainly on obligatory interaction and small talk. This continued until after I moved out on my own at age 18. Then a couple years after I was out, my younger brother (who is extremely bright) got into some trouble in the congregation (messed around with a girl) and was df'd. I reluctantly shunned him in the regular JW manner (I was still an active dub) as did my parents. Even though he lived with them, they treated him as if they were doing him a huge favor and treated him like a 2nd class citizen (basically just making his life a living hell). For example if Jdubs came over he would have to leave the room and when JW family and friends visited from out of town, he wasnt invited out to dinner. It was at this point, witnessing this stuff, that I realized my parents are some sick bastards and that in my gut, I knew this whole situation was wrong. It was at this point that I really started examining the beliefs of the Jw's and easily and quickly figured out they were merely a business/cult and my parents sold me and my passion out for this shit. I felt as if I was robbed of the only thing I ever really wanted (to pusrsue my talent and passion). And after all they took from me, and subjected my brother too, they still thought we could play "normal". For me, this just didnt make any sense and I didnt like the idea of them around my own son (since I never enjoyed their bullshit, why should I allow it around my kid). I have forgiven and forgotten them and am better off without any interaction. My own son is very bright and well adjusted and is active in all sorts of "extra curricular" activities (i.e. soccer, tee ball, basketball). They have no part in any his accomplishments or the accomplishments that I am really proud of (i.e. a college degree, a happy and well provided for family). I am self made. They were an obstacle that I was able to seperate from and overcome. I understand that since becoming empty nesters, they have basically turned on each other and all the toxic JW propoganda and mentality they so dearly adore has been turned toward each other and every day is a psycho-drama that even Peyton's Place couldnt match. They can have it - just stay away from me. om
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  Sign Here For Death

  by openminded in

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  the two biologicals signed on that dotted line.. putting my life in perspective by strokes of a pen.. this pocket-sized document heralds their premeditated.

  crime.

  with support from some elders, only a bloody.

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  My younger brother wrote it. It sounds really good when he reads it.
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  Sign Here For Death

  by openminded in

  1. jw
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  the two biologicals signed on that dotted line.. putting my life in perspective by strokes of a pen.. this pocket-sized document heralds their premeditated.

  crime.

  with support from some elders, only a bloody.

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  The two biologicals signed on that dotted line.

  Putting my life in perspective by strokes of a pen.

  This pocket-sized document heralds their premeditated

  crime

  With support from some elders, only a bloody

  devastation ushers in when

  What were they thinking?

  What was their reason?

  Can a holly rollers training

  bring child killing in season?

  To see a mom and a dad put love under such extreme

  condition,

  Makes me think of many others in a similar upside down

  world.

  Like my brothers and sisters, also slated by this

  prolonged pseudo postpartum abortion.

  This sickens my own paternal emotions seeing my own

  son sleeping safely curled.

  Where was their heart?

  Where are they now?

  Is a mental separation and an emotional freedom

  possible that a physical distance will allow?

  I have long been safe, but this shit still goes on,

  To many innocent young children by their own

  brain-washed tribe,

  sitting like zombies all over the world in small

  buildings called "kingdom halls",

  together as one, they happily sign, pleasing a god

  with this unconscienable crime.

  IF I simply do nothing,

  am I too to blame?

  It seems that humans always suffer

  in this ritualistic dancing-with-deities game.