Posts by allyouneedislove

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Need Digital Article

by allyouneedislove in

can someone please provide a copy of the following watchtower digitally.. .

"we need to obey the faithful and discreet slave to have jehovahs approval.

" watchtower 2011 jul 15 p.24 simplified english edition .

allyouneedislove

Can someone please provide a copy of the following Watchtower digitally.

"We need to obey the faithful and discreet slave to have Jehovah’s approval." Watchtower 2011 Jul 15 p.24 Simplified English Edition

Much thanks! :)

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jwfacts.com

by allyouneedislove in

i had a few comments to make regarding paul grundy's jwfact.com website.

these comments are in no way meant to defend jws, but only to point out illogical statements.

i have actually found his website to be quite informative.. .

I had a few comments to make regarding Paul Grundy's jwfact.com website. These comments are in no way meant to defend JWs, but only to point out illogical statements. I have actually found his website to be quite informative.

www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/malawi-mexico-oath-allegiance.html

This link discusses the Malawi atrocities committed against JWs. However, Grundy makes a few statements that are illogical and misleading.

Quote 1: "This article shows the tragedy that occurred when Malawian Witnesses were hypocritically forced to uphold a higher standard than was expected of those in Mexico...". JWs are not " forced" to do anything concerning their faith. To use the word "forced" implies that the Malawian JWs had zero choice regarding the party card decision. I understand that some may have been in fear of being disfellowshipped. However, they could have bought a party card if they desired to do so. The Governing Body or Elders were not physically holding them from doing so. I am a big proponent of people recognizing that they have free will, no matter how difficult the consequences may be that follow.

Quote 2: " Malawian Witnesses suffered unspeakable atrocities due to following the Watchtower’s illogical policy forbidding them to hold a political card in a one party state ". Once again, this statement is misleading and illogical. The atrocities were due to wicked human beings committing them. Grundy's comment here reminds me of the statement "If she wasn't wearing such provocative clothing, he would not have raped her". Each human being, regardless of whether they are part of organized religion, should be able to have free choice without the threat of violence. Grundy does go on to say " This sickening account of brutal rape, torture and murder of Jehovah’s witnesses is shocking and the people responsible cannot be excused for their actions, but this could have been prevented by purchasing a political card ". Grundy would have us believe that anyone should compromise on their personal beliefs, just so as not to become an object of hatred. This is not an idea I subscribe to.

Quote 3: " It is bad enough that the Governing Body misused the 'word of God' to set the Malawian brothers up for murder ". This statement is very questionable. Again, Grundy is minimizing the fact that every human should have the right to choose. I feel that he is implying that no Malawian JW agreed with the position on purchasing a party card.

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Is There A Need For Any Publications Electronically

by allyouneedislove in

hi everyone,.

i know a number of people who would definitely lend me old watchtower publications (booklets, books, etc).. is there a need for any scanned publications?

does anyone know when publications can become public domain?.

allyouneedislove

I dont personally have a lot of old publications. However, I was over at a friends house and he had a lot of little booklets by the WT that I had never seen before. They were from 50's to 70's. One was on blood.

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What's happened with http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/????

by bamse in

jw
friends

this excellent site is gone.

does anyone know what's happened?.

allyouneedislove

@ BlackSheep

Can you please report the link to download the entire content of quotes-watchtower.co.uk? Thanks

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Is There A Need For Any Publications Electronically

by allyouneedislove in

hi everyone,.

i know a number of people who would definitely lend me old watchtower publications (booklets, books, etc).. is there a need for any scanned publications?

does anyone know when publications can become public domain?.

allyouneedislove

Hi everyone,

I know a number of people who would definitely lend me old watchtower publications (booklets, books, etc).

Is there a need for any scanned publications? Does anyone know when publications can become public domain?

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Apostolic Decree Just A Recommendation - Russell

by allyouneedislove in

just checked out the 4/15 1909 where it says that the acts 15:29 decree was just a recommendation to prevent stumbling.. does anyone know how long the wt held to this belief about the apostolic decree.

when did the wt start saying it was a command?.

allyouneedislove

Just checked out the 4/15 1909 where it says that the Acts 15:29 decree was just a recommendation to prevent stumbling.

Does anyone know how long the WT held to this belief about the Apostolic decree. When did the WT start saying it was a command?

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Tertullian Blood Sausage

by allyouneedislove in

i have been trying to find out if the following statement from the wt is historically correct:.

the record of the early christians who were put to the test by roman authorities agrees with this and illustrates that we should not think that gods law can be broken in life or death situations.

sometimes their test was, either eat blood sausage or die in the arena.

allyouneedislove

I have been trying to find out if the following statement from the WT is historically correct:

***w827/15p.31QuestionsFromReaders***

The record of the early Christians who were put to the test by Roman authorities agrees with this and illustrates that we should not think that God’s law can be broken in ‘life or death’ situations. Sometimes their test was, either eat blood sausage or die in the arena.

The WT provides no reference for this statement and does not use it when speaking of Tertullian's writings concerning Christians being tempted to eat blood sausage (in later years). Can anyone shed some light on the subject of Tertullian's writings concerning Christians and blood.

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Acts 15:29 & Revelation 2:14,20

by allyouneedislove in

i have heard the assertion that acts 15:29 saying: "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood" was a decree set forth as a recommendation to keep christian gentiles from stumbing christian jews.

the same assertion says that 1 corinthians 8 makes it clear that it is a conscience matter to "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols".

however, revelation 2:14,20 seems to show that eating things sacrificed to idols is much more serious of a grievance.. .

allyouneedislove

guess my problem with w82 7/15 30-31

is that is draws such a hard line in breaking technical laws in times of great need:

Numbers 15:32-36 While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the LORD said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the LORD commanded Moses.

It doesnt seem reasonable to think that they would have put him to death if he would be collecting firewood so that his family did not freeze or so he could cook a meal, in extenuating circumstances.

sorry for the bold, weird copy/paste

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Acts 15:29 & Revelation 2:14,20

by allyouneedislove in

i have heard the assertion that acts 15:29 saying: "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood" was a decree set forth as a recommendation to keep christian gentiles from stumbing christian jews.

the same assertion says that 1 corinthians 8 makes it clear that it is a conscience matter to "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols".

however, revelation 2:14,20 seems to show that eating things sacrificed to idols is much more serious of a grievance.. .

allyouneedislove

Leolaia said:

So James still regarded uncircumcised Gentile Christians as Godfearers, and the stipulations in Acts 15 were likely not viewed as "recommendations" but more like the bare minimum that Gentiles were expected to observe.

would someone help me understand why murder, lie, and extortion, were not put in acts 15:29 if the stipulations were the "bare minimum"?

that is a new thought to me, Leolaia.

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Acts 15:29 & Revelation 2:14,20

by allyouneedislove in

i have heard the assertion that acts 15:29 saying: "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood" was a decree set forth as a recommendation to keep christian gentiles from stumbing christian jews.

the same assertion says that 1 corinthians 8 makes it clear that it is a conscience matter to "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols".

however, revelation 2:14,20 seems to show that eating things sacrificed to idols is much more serious of a grievance.. .

allyouneedislove

I have heard the assertion that Acts 15:29 saying: "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood" was a decree set forth as a recommendation to keep Christian Gentiles from stumbing Christian Jews. The same assertion says that 1 Corinthians 8 makes it clear that it is a conscience matter to "keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols". However, Revelation 2:14,20 seems to show that eating things sacrificed to idols is much more serious of a grievance.

(Revelation 2:14) “‘Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, that you have there those holding fast the teaching of Ba′laam, who went teaching Ba′lak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication.
(Revelation 2:20) “‘Nevertheless, I do hold [this] against you, that you tolerate that woman Jez′e?bel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols.

Can anyone explain the relevance that the scriptures in Revelation have on the assertion that Acts 15:29 was just a recommendation?