I am reading ray franz's bk "Crisis of Conscience". He discloses that the society if very well off finicially. They have finicial wizards apparently.
I recommend realding his bk it is a real eye opener, I can't put it down.
Happy New Year guys.
orangefatcat
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Jehovah God running short on Cash???
by JT inthe wt in the past stated that "if the time came when we are running short on cash god wants us to pack up shop".
well it looks like when wt is running short on case and who does wt turn to--is it jehovah- o no they turn to the world.
so much for time to pack up shop.
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The Watchtower Society and disfellowshipping
by teejay ini was doing a little websurfing... not hurtin' nobody... mindin' my own bidness... and found myself at the wts official website.
over on the righthand side i noticed a "search" button.
hmmm.
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has any one read the Dec 1st WT 2000?Questions From Readers???
I am disfellowshiped and my whole damn family hasn't spoke to me in two years. that is their loss though. I enjoyed your posting. OFC -
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change of position on DF'd persons?
by refiners fire inummm...question re my mothers status...she got dfd 3 months ago and expected to be shunned.
indeed, i told her she would be shunned.. but she reckons that everyone is being real nice, talking to her in the street, etc, has there been a change of policy?.
ive been out a long time and would have expected shunning.. shes starting to think of me as a false prophet.
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SORRY ABOUT THAT GUYS I WAS OCCUPIED AT SOMETHING ELSE AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT ITS POSTED AFTER A CERTAIN DELAY PERIOD DA...;D WELL SHOULD I POST IT OR WHAT SOMEONE HELP MMMMMEEEEEEE PLEASE AS I AM NOT TO SURE HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING THAT.
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change of position on DF'd persons?
by refiners fire inummm...question re my mothers status...she got dfd 3 months ago and expected to be shunned.
indeed, i told her she would be shunned.. but she reckons that everyone is being real nice, talking to her in the street, etc, has there been a change of policy?.
ive been out a long time and would have expected shunning.. shes starting to think of me as a false prophet.
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I have a copy right in front of me from the Watchtower datedDec 1 2001. It is in "Questions From Readers"., the question is Does God's direction recorded at Jeremiah 7:16 mean that Christians would not pray about someone whas been expelled from the Christian congregation because he is an unrepentant sinner?
its a discusion on Manasseh's gross sins. The conclusion of the article says its okay to pray for someone disfellowshipped, but it would be in private prayers not at the hall. That is basically what it says I scanned this article and if anyone would like to see a copy of the article just e-mail okay my friend. Love u all OFC -
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change of position on DF'd persons?
by refiners fire inummm...question re my mothers status...she got dfd 3 months ago and expected to be shunned.
indeed, i told her she would be shunned.. but she reckons that everyone is being real nice, talking to her in the street, etc, has there been a change of policy?.
ive been out a long time and would have expected shunning.. shes starting to think of me as a false prophet.
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I have a copy right in front of me from the Watchtower datedDec 1 2001. It is in "Questions From Readers"., the question is Does God's direction recorded at Jeremiah 7:16 mean that Christians would not pray about someone whas been expelled from the Christian congregation because he is an unrepentant sinner?
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And they talk about love?
by Xena inwith the 4th anniversary of my parents death looming and the anniversary of their last wedding anniversary party where my family was together and happy for the last time just being past ....i was feeling kind of depressed and wanted to reach out to what family i have left.
i sat there and debated in my mind if i should do it...should i try and reach out to my sister..see if i could reach her across the barrier of the jw religion.
should i try to remind her that we are sisters...we were sisters before we became jws and we will always be sisters.
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I can relate very well to your feelings. I myself have three other sisters and a mom all staunch witnesses. I was once one mysself until I woke up to the reality of the situation. I believe that i was always the black sheep of the family, even while in the 'truth',My family has absouletly nothing to do with me what so ever. I love my family very much, but they could not see the forest for the trees, they are so wrapped up in the org. I just found out through the grapevine that according to the Society that it is now okay to pray for disfellowshipped family members. Give me a break.
all of a sudden its okay and for how many zillions of years they said no way are u to pray for them. Oh well one more thing that seems to remind us that WT is making some changes to keep people from leaving.
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Hello, I'm new here
by daveyJones ini've been raised a witness, and i've been spoon-fed.
all that stuff about 1914, no facial hair, and every other jw teaching that they talk about.
i've been a bit disillusioned lately with the stuff i've found out about the society, with some research of my own and other research from sites or sources like these.
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welcome Davey-Jones.
The real truth prevails here, trust us
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I dont remember the date I was baptized....
by flower inyou know how at every baptismal talk they say to the candidates that they should 'make a note of this date june, 4 whatever..ect'?
and everyone knows that date for like the rest of their life?
well i dont remember when i was baptized.
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Me again Flower, I was baptized on August 11, 1967, there were no books with questions then. So if u wanted to get baptized you could. Funny thing though, you know how the cong. has a record of your name and baptism. well on my cong card my name was always spelled wrong and my baptism date was wrong. I told this to the elders several times over the yrs but they never changed it. I sometime wonder why they never would change it. maybe they didn't like me. oh well..
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Can you believe this Kingdom Hall? NOT
by Mindchild incan you believe this kingdom hall?
it's weird but this thought came to me sometime way too early in the morning to make any sense then, and that was this discussion board is really a virtual model of the kingdom hall that we all wanted to see in real time but never will.. here, we have anyone get up on the stage regardless of sex, experience or rank, and they make their presentation.
it can be about, and almost always is, nearly any topic.
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A twisted Irony and a question ......
by flower ini know ya'll will probably get sick of seeing my name but i hope you understand why i am here so much.. anyway, one really ironic thing i was thinking about is that its amazing how much hate i had/have inside of me my whole life.
hate my father, my sister.
i have always been angry and hated people.
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Flower your post was excellent, after I left the org. I was reluctant to contact my best friend who had been disfellowshipped seven yrs prior to me. When she found out that I had left, she searched for me for several month. I didn't want to be found right away I laid low to regain my sanity, one day she called my soon to be exhusband and he told her that I had left and he did''nt know where I was, he didn't recogniize her voice, any way she eventually found me and we picked up where we left off, it was like there had been no gap of 7 yrs. We cried we laughed, hugged, and cried some more. It was like the most wonderful thing that has happened to me since I left the org. I have another girl friend her family and I have been friends for 17yr.
she was in the truth, her husband left several yrs ago. She has three
young adult children all of them left the truth. But Cindy plugged along in the "truth" for several yrs really never having a close friend in the cong, only with me. So when I left the org, I figured she would have nothing to do with me anymore, but to my great suprise she has stayed by me all along. She now has nothing more to do the the cong. she has just stopped going to all meetings and now does not consider herself a witness. You see something happened to her and her husband on the 24th of Dec.1999 she gave birth to a beautiful baby boy. Also that is the very same day I went into a shelter do get away from it all. Well the brand new infant was gravely ill having been depleted ot oxogen and he was rushed to sick kids hospital in Toronto. The little lamb lasted 11 days on this earth. and during that time no one from the kingdom hall was at her side during this ordeal, only her husbands family and a few of their non-witness friends. I was there for her as much as I could be. An Elder gave the babies funeral. and that is the last time anyone had anything to do with them at the hall. She realized then that her true friends were with her already. We are the best of friends. So u see Flower you can find new friends, maybe friends in the Hall that will be your friend. Lifes roads can take many twists and turns, and you will be a stronger person for it. Your family may never exccept you for what you have done and who cares, its their lose not yours. they are hung up by the fear factor that speaking to you can mean that they could get disfellowshipped. Don't worry the pain you feel will pass with time. Seek out clubs and legions, or join a dart leauge or card clubs you can meet some very nice people. Good Luck Flower I know you are a survivor..... Terry aka orangefatcat. Love u kid.