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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

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  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  So either side, there are trees among the forests. We just have to focus on the forest.
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Hello InterestedOne!

  That is a classic example of losing site of the forest from the trees.
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Cofty - I do not see "contradictions", but rather i see "differences" in the accounts. Differences does not mean untrustworthiness because there are plausible explanations. I have seen this happen a lot of times with reporters. For example, i might read in one newspaper that Jane Smith was convicted of fraud. I may also read in another publication that J. Doe was convicted of fraud. Are two two accounts different? Absolutely! Same event, two different names. Are the two accounts contradictory? Apparently! But eventually a third newspaper reported that Jane Smith aka J. Doe was convicted of fraud. There you go, problem solved!

  Let us not lose the forest from the trees.
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Truth_b_Known - Maybe not you, but what about those thousands who lost their jobs, sources of income, houses and retirement benefits in America, and now in Europe due to the worsening economic crisis?
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Blondie - So you do believe "something" is coming? If indeed Armageddon will come, albeit at an unknown date and time, will that not prove the bible, and the interpretation of the JWs correct?
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Cadellin - I can see that we look at the world (and world events) in two different lenses here, though i appreciate the fact that you see the positives in a world fully enveloped by negativity.

  Yet as i have said earlier, i still believe in the bible. Putting the JW doctrine aside, i believe in what i understood as laid out in the scriptures - The fall of man, the promised Seed, the ransom.

  The idea is so simple, we cannot rule ourselves. We have proven it again and again in our history. We cannot deny this. Democracy and Capitalism, possibly the best idea we had so far, has caused all these messed we are in right now.

  The bible might not be as specific as what we wanted it to be, but the bottom line is this - it predicted the coming of a Great Tribulation with a magnitude we have never experienced before. Whether that could mean a total collapse of our financial system, resulting in total chaos and unprecedented violence the world has ever seen, and/or a total breakdown of the world's life support system resulting in the most deadliest and destructive natural disasters, who knows? But all evidence are pointing to this lead.

  What i see is this, at the moment, the world's economic system is on the brink of collapse. The worst is yet to come. Will this bring more violence and chaos all over the world? We just have to wait. Hopefully it won't, but what we see right now, this is only the beginning. Did Jesus mention about total economic collapse? No! But where will these lead? Tribulation!

  What about climate related disasters? Will it escalate? Who knows? If you listen to climate advocates and experts, we are doomed, albeit the sceptics will say otherwise. But what do we see? I would be fooling myself if i say things are getting better in terms of the frequency and magnitude of natural disasters today. Did Jesus specifically mentioned tsunamis and climate related disasters? No! But where will all these disasters lead? Tribulation!

  It's true that we can see improvements in certain areas such as improved sanitation, clean water and the fight against certain diseases in other parts of the world. But the reality is this, if you look holistically and see the big picture, the problems we have created has overshadowed the good we have done big time.

  I am hearing several voices right how, eerily but interestingly all in unison. The JWs in their own interpretation of the scriptures shouting at the top of their lungs, "The sky is falling! The Bible said so." The scientists and climate experts shouting at the top of their lungs, "The sky is falling! Science said so." Economists are shouting at the top of the lungs, "The sky is falling! The Stockmarket said so."

  And i also hear another voice, quite mockingly saying, "There is no end of the world! Everything is the same since time in memorial."

  I'm confused...
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  I read in the bible prophecies about the coming Messiah, and he did come.

  I read in the bible prophecies about the coming destruction of Jerusalem, and it did come.

  I read in the bible about the coming end of this system of things, it has not come yet, but i can see the sign (which all of you deny).

  I learned from history that events can suddenly shift unexpectedly, without prior warning catching everyone off-guard (see what happend to the Arab Spring).

  I learned from current events that we are in a tumultous era in our history where insecurity, fear and anger is growing day by day on a 'global' scale.

  Scientists are saying we have reached the point of no return due to climate change, and will experienced unprecedented climate related disasters the world has never experienced.

  Economists and experts are saying we are heading into a major global financial meltdown, such as the world has never experienced before.

  One-by-one, world leaders are falling, economies are collapsing, angst and anger are growing among the populace, insurrection and lawlessness are increasing, weather-related disasters are increasing and growing in magnitude...

  And here you are telling me everything is going to be alright?

  Is it possible, that because we are so convinced that the JWs are wrong in their bible-based predictions, we have blinded ourselves to the actual reality?

  Have we disadvantaged ourselves, due to our bias, that instead of seeing reality, we have covered our eyes with rose-colored glasses?

  I tried to see things as an observer and by removing my bias and prejudices against the JW religion and just by reading the bible, and the bible alone, i can see that we are indeed heading into a great tribulation. I can see that man really, no matter who you put in power, is incapable of solving it's own problems. I can see that what will unite the whole world, and bring peace and security to man is not the United Nations, but through a ruler and rulership "more" powerful and capable than what mere mortals can accomplish. Democracy and Capitalism, with all its intents and purposes has served as well, but proven to be flawed and inadequate to provide us with the ultimate quality of life we can all enjoy.

  I might have some doubts with the JW religion, but i believe in the bible. The idea of the promised "seed" and how it eventuate, from Abraham, to Israel, to David, and finally to Jesus makes sense. The idea of the ransom makes sense. The arrival of Messiah, through Jesus, the events recorded, and the reporting accuracy makes sense. The destruction of Jerusalem, and the perfect timing of events makes sense.

  I keep asking myself, should i doubt the remaining prophecies that has not been fulfilled yet, the Great Tribulation and eventually, Armageddon?

  And here we are 2000 years later, the world's financial system in turmoil, natural disasters and weather related events increasing in effect and magnitude, the whole system as we know it, the dominant system of Democracy and Capitalism is in jeopardy, world leaders losing their power through bloody revolutions and/or forced resignations, and the whole of mankind uncertain and fearful of what their future holds.

  Folks, there is a reason for me to doubt what you are telling me, because the bible, and history, and world events are telling otherwise.
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Actually, the possibility of a global financial meltdown is no longer a JW prediction, but has been on the news from the past few years since the start of the GFC.

  Not to mention the disastrous effect of global warming, causing extreme weather and also affecting the human food chain.

  And Armageddon is not a JW prophecy, rather, a biblical prophecy, isn't it? The problem was the JWs put a date on it, which basically failed to eventuate. But if the bible is true, then, there really is Armageddon, the final showdown between good and evil.

  I think since we are so convinced that the JWs have made failed date predictions of existing biblical prophecies, we ended up denying even the truthfulness of these biblical prophecies.

  Even putting the bible aside, world conditions are getting worse undeniably, and i mean on a "global" scale. Like what i said, what if we actually wake up one morning and bible prophecies are actually true?
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Hi everyone, i'm new here.

  But we can't deny the fact that the situation in the world is dire right now...and getting worse day-by-day.

  The dilemma we have is this: We can really say that whatever's happening now is normal, because honestly, its turning from bad to worse.

  As things worsen, it will only validate the JWs prognosis of the coming Great Tribulation.

  As each crisis worsens, their teaching of God's government replacing human governments becomes more acceptable to their listeners, as failure of man to govern itself becomes more obvious.

  As people all over the world becomes desperate, the message of a Paradise earth becomes more appealing to their audience.

  I have some doubts about the JW religion, but on the back of my mind, i have to open my mind on the possibilities of the truthfulness of their message.

  What if one day we wake up and the whole world is saying, 'Peace and Security!'?

  What if the scarlet colored wild beast suddenly start devouring the harlot?

  Is it really so far-fetched that the Great Tribulation will absolutely not going to happen?
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  JWs from Philippines let's talk here!

  by vientotz in

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  are you from phil?

  still an active jw's or not?.

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  sonny.alfaro

  I am a Filipino.

  Where are you from Vientotz?