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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

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  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  do you think the GB are wondering why armargeddon dosn't come?

  by highdose in

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  are they deluded enough to think that it must happen soon?

  or are they just stringing everyone along?.

  personaly i think that russell had good intentions and probably belived what he wrote ( although dosn't make it right) but i don't belive that any other gb has really belived the trash that is supposed to be the jw religon.

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  French Branch Wins Tax Money back from European Court

  by JWFreak in

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  as you are aware the french branch won a unanimous victory in the echr on june 30th 2011 regarding the tax struggle worth over 60 million euros.

  there was then a wait of 3 months to see if the french goverment would appeal.. .

  they did not appeal thus confirming the jw victory.. .

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  I wonder what force is behind this organization? Nothing seems to stop them. They kept on growing in numbers, they kept on winning legal battles, nothing, not even internal threats can seem to destroy them? Are they indestrubtible? Do they have an achilles heel? Or perhaps, we are fighting against God?
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Ziddina,

  The prophecy was there, written down and documented for our perusal. The prophecy was clear, there is a coming Great Tribulation before Armageddon. This is not a JW invention, it is there in the ancient book. The JWs interpreted that the countdown started in 1914 culminating to its very end, and we're almost there (according to the JW teaching).

  Are world events seems to support this argument? It looks like it. Can we absolutely dismiss the theory of Great Tribulation? Is there a possibility that the bible might be correct on this ancient prophecy? It's a possibility we cannot completely deny.
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  Aussie Oz.

  Unless the bible is true, that the end of human rule has come, and God's kingdom will soon come. That's also a possibility we cannot completely cross off. With the complexity of the universe, not to mention the wonderful functioning of the whole system, e.g., gravity, digestive system in humans, the complexitiy of the eye, the functioning of the brain etc, the possibility that there is a 'designer' cannnot be completely crossed off.

  And if there is a 'designer' and a 'creator', then the possibility of the truthfulness of the bible narrative must be taken into consideration as well.

  These are the possibilities we cannot 'completely' deny because honestly, we don't really know. We can only hope. We can only believe. We can only have faith.
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  Cofty - Thanks for uploading the video of Prof Bart Erhman. I found it very educational and i learned a lot, although my conclusions might be different from yours. Here are my thoughts:

  1) There are 30,000+ differences among the 5,700 manuscripts currently available, majority of them insignificant and don't really matter as they don't change the essence of the message, but rather 'accidental' mistakes

  2) Comparing all those manuscripts, you find both 'accidental' mistakes (i.e., spelling) and 'deliberate' additions/omissions in the texts. Both has been identified, and the text re-adjusted to represent possibly the more accurate translation if compared to the original which no longer exist. For example, he mentioned about one verse in Mark's gospel quoting Isaiah the prophet, although it was later found that the quote actually came from Exodus, and not from Isaiah. And so, it was not adjusted, by just saying coming from the prophets, to make it more accurate. Did it come from Isaiah? Maybe not. One of the prophets? More likely so. Problem solved. Did it changed the essence of the story? Not really. This shows that the abundance of the manuscripts, though filled with differences, helps to refine the text to probably match the original form.

  3) One of the major differences (note he did not say errors and/or untrustworthiness) of the manuscripts is about Mary saying 'your father and i' changed to 'we' or 'Joseph and I'. Did this change the whole essence of the bible? I can't see the issue here. Whatever the original is, whether the former or the latter, it doesn't change the whole essense of the narrative. Let us not lose the forest from the trees.

  4) The prostitute story, including the 8 verses in Mark's account are found to be an addition in later manuscripts. That's good news. Again, it's a refinement we should be thankful about.

  5) I do not see any problem in the crucifixion story. If Mark seems to indicate Jesus was pretty quiet during the whole process, but Luke mentioned a few more details, again, it doesn't invalidate that the crucifixion occured. The important thing is, it happened. Jesus died, gave his life for us to have everlasting life (including our friend Prof Bart), now whether he was saying nothing, or said a few words in the process, it doesn't matter. The important thing in the narrative is his actual death. That's the whole essence of the Messiah. For him to die so we can live. That's it. The same thing with the women who saw him resurrected. Whether one woman, or two women saw him, it doesn't matter, the important thing is, he was resurrected.

  Sorry, but i do not see any reason why Prof Bart's arguments can invalidate the whole theme of the bible as a complete, solid whole, including, the importance of the ransom by Jesus Christ.

  By the way, is Prof Bart Jewish by any chance?
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  French Branch Wins Tax Money back from European Court

  by JWFreak in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as you are aware the french branch won a unanimous victory in the echr on june 30th 2011 regarding the tax struggle worth over 60 million euros.

  there was then a wait of 3 months to see if the french goverment would appeal.. .

  they did not appeal thus confirming the jw victory.. .

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  sonny.alfaro

  Hi, i'm new here.

  Wow! They just kept on winning every battle they fought. Amazing!
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  So either side, there are trees among the forests. We just have to focus on the forest.
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  Eurozone crisis- the jw's are crowing about it like mad!

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  over the past few weeks i've been told that the eurozone will go into melt down and that this will be the start of armargeddon because the goverments will then turn on religon to get their money instead.. i have been told that the greek pm almost rejecting the greek bailout plan would lead to armargeddon.

  of course much to the jw's disapointment the greek pm resigned and the greeks did accept the bail out.

  thus saving the greek banks from collapse and thus the rest of the european banks.. i have been told that italys debt will mean they will plunder the vatican for its wealth!

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  sonny.alfaro

  Hello InterestedOne!

  That is a classic example of losing site of the forest from the trees.