Posts by Londo111

33

My Husband's Kids Have Cut Him Off

by headisspinning in

well, my husband's worst fear has happened.

he told his kids, ages 15 and 10 that he was coming to visit them over the holidays.

his ex-wife limits his telephone contact to one call per week, so when he called them last week to arrange the specific days he would see them, his son told him that he got baptized back in september and would no longer be willing to see his father.. this came as a complete shock.

Londo111

I went to visit my grandparents yesterday, the first time since April when I told them the sentence the elders imposed upon me.

Yesterday, I lost self-control over what I let my tongue say. I talked to my grandfather about Jeremiah 25:12 and the articles on 607...and the next thing I know, I'm saying very 'disloyal' things about the organization (1925/1975, ect...). I told him I could only believe what the Bible says...not earthling men. I could see by his expression he now believes I am in the "Evil Slave Class" and rebelling against "God". He hurried me away before my mother came to visit...I got the sense that he was worried what she would think if she found me visiting them. My mother would probably tell me never to visit them again.

I shouldn't have said these things to him. But being isolated for so long without seeing friends or family face to face, I've lots of things pent up inside. Out of the heart's abundance, the mouth speaks.

322

WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

by AnnOMaly in

out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

"clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

Londo111

Good work, Ann!!!

322

WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

by AnnOMaly in

out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

"clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

Londo111

I remember reading a letter to the Society where one brother wrote a letter about Jeremiah 25:12, showing the end of the 70 years occured in 539 BCE, not 537. And it is a simple enough scripture, the 70 years get fulfilled, the king of Babylon and the nation of Babylon would get called into account, and then Babylon would become a desolate waste. The Society's response was bizarre, something to the effect that since the city of Babylon wasn't a waste until some time in the 4th Century, so the ending of the 70 years couldn't be tied to these events. Since the 4th century occured after 539 BCE...and thus after the 70 years were fulfilled, I don't follow...

Then there is the logic that Cyrus became king over Babylon, and that verse applied to him in 537... That makes no sense. Cyrus wasn't called into account, he was used to bring Babylon to account.

Then I believe I read something where Furuli tried to say that the Hebrews had a difference sense of time, then us modern Westerners...so we couldn't read it as a sequence of events as in 70 years fullfilled THEN king of Babylon/Babylon called into account. I don't know ancient Hebrew, but I've seen enough to believe that the English translations of this verse carry the meaning.

It's very fallacious logic in this articles. It's presented with binary logic of either one believes the Bible and accepts 607BCE...or you reject what the Bible says. Given that choice, most sincere Witnesses who don't put these articles to the test will obviously side with 607 BCE. The fact that the Bible is in perfect harmony with the historical evidence in regard to 587 is not an option presented...

322

WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

by AnnOMaly in

out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

"clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

Londo111

Thanks, Black Sheep!

Upon reading that, I believe Zechariah 7:5 adds more weight for the 587 date, not the other way around!

17

When...JERUSALEM DESTROYED? PART TWO - c.o.Jonsson

by diamondiiz in

http://kristenfrihet.se/vtsvar/vtsvar2.pdf.

i loved part 1 by jonsson so this one should be great read as well..

Londo111

Awesome!

64

Starting to read Crisis of Conscience....

by confuzzled777 in

jw
friends

after almost 2 years of being wrongfully disfellowshipped and over a year after finding this site....i am starting to read crisis of conscience.

i will not lie....i am a bit nervous as to what information i will find in the book.

i have a strong feeling that i will end up crying through most of it as i will start to see the truth about the "truth".

Londo111

I just bought the PDF a few days ago. Even though I have to read it on my laptop or via my iphone, it's very hard to put down.

322

WT Nov. 1, 2011 (public) - When Was Ancient Jerusalem Destroyed - Part 2

by AnnOMaly in

out now.. yes, yes, yessssss!

on p. 26-27 they talk about how the lunar positions on vat 4956 fit 588/7 bce!!!.

"clearly, much of the astronomical data in vat 4956 fits the year 588 b.c.e.

Londo111

This is definitely the Achilles Heel of WTS doctrine. And the shell game the writer(s) of these articles played is plain inexcusable. All Witnesses need to be made aware of this.

64

Starting to read Crisis of Conscience....

by confuzzled777 in

jw
friends

after almost 2 years of being wrongfully disfellowshipped and over a year after finding this site....i am starting to read crisis of conscience.

i will not lie....i am a bit nervous as to what information i will find in the book.

i have a strong feeling that i will end up crying through most of it as i will start to see the truth about the "truth".

Londo111

In In Search of Christian Freedom, I just finished reading the chapter 'The Faithful and Discreet Slave'.

Wow. I've read the words if Matthew 24:45 so many times...and only now do I understand them.

And who really is the Evil Slave?

* Those who in thier heart say, 'My master is delaying' (by not coming within the time they expected, such as say 1878, 1914, 1925, ect...)

* And thus, not being able to wait for the Master's return to be appointed over his belongings, they beat their fellow slaves, cracking the whip of authority, and set themselves over their fellow slaves.

* They become drunk with power and like a drunkard, make bad decisions. " And these also—because of wine they have gone astray and because of intoxicating liquor they have wandered about. Priest and prophet—they have gone astray because of intoxicating liquor, they have become confused as a result of the wine, they have wandered about as a result of the intoxicating liquor; they have gone astray in their seeing, they have reeled as to decision. For the tables themselves have all become full of filthy vomit—there is no place [without it]." --Isaiah 28:7,8

In fact, who do we know of that was drunk with power and also a confirmed drunkard in a literal sense? Hmm...

52

Does the Watchtower Society have the "Biggest Lie" ever published?

by Terry in

.

the truth that leads to eternal life.

the truth that leads to eternal life was a bible study textbook published in 1968 and revised in 1981 (now out of print).. the 1990 edition of the guinness book of records included this book under its heading "highest printings".. according to the guinness book, by may 1987 it had reached 106,486,735 copies, in 116 languages.. .

Londo111

It all comes down to 1914....how much time is given to that doctrine? How much of their authority as the FDS comes from it? All of it! And 1914 is dependent on 607 BCE…and 607 BCE is the Achilles Heel.

84

Recent C.O. visit: Bad news re: U.S. English meeting attendance

by Open mind in

visiting a nearby town during his thursday night service talk mentioned how poor meeting attendance is in the english-speaking u.s. congregations.

he said that when the gb reduced the weekly meetings from 3 to 2, there was a brief surge in meeting attendance percentages.

after a few months it began to slide and it hasn't stopped sliding.

Londo111

If the midweek meeting wasn't so long (3 meetings in one), I think attendence would be boosted. There is allot of filler...especially in the service meeting. And what is the Book Study if not really another Watchtower Study?

There were so many meetings that talk about going to meetings... I always thought that was a redundant topic since I was already there...and those not there weren't going to hear it.