I think these conspiracy theories need updating. Chips are so antiquated. Why not nanotech?
Londo111
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Watchtower re "The New World Order"
by Nambo innow the watchtower is so named for they keep on the watch right?.
for those of you still in, or that still see the mags, have they ever once even mentioned the "new world order", or one world government or even globalisation?.
ive been on a forum or two where the average joe, who doesnt even belive in, or are not even aware of god, the bible and revelation, are fully aware of the push towards globalisation and a single world government, where you wont be able to buy or sell unless you accept thier chip, of the f.e.m.a.
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Watchtower re "The New World Order"
by Nambo innow the watchtower is so named for they keep on the watch right?.
for those of you still in, or that still see the mags, have they ever once even mentioned the "new world order", or one world government or even globalisation?.
ive been on a forum or two where the average joe, who doesnt even belive in, or are not even aware of god, the bible and revelation, are fully aware of the push towards globalisation and a single world government, where you wont be able to buy or sell unless you accept thier chip, of the f.e.m.a.
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Londo111
I am coming to believe that the Beast was Nero=666 and most of Revelation applied to the first century.
Why would God care if a person has a chip implanted in them or not? And some of these things like FEMA concentration camps sound downright paraniod.
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Explain in a FEW word's why the 607 date is incorrect.
by XPeterX in"if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it wel enough" albert einstein.
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Londo111
Maybe Phizzy is right. Maybe this back-and-forth has been useful after all. A foil provided argument and counter-argument, allowing the issue to be rehashed from different angles, as well as providing points for research to anyone interested and contrasted argument styles. In the end, the truth points to itself for those looking.
Thanks, Eggy! We must do this more often.
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No answer to this one!
by truthseeker1969 inas many of you know my brother an elder was called on to sit in a "judicial committee" re-instatement.. the brother has in the past done all he can to prove he is repentant but this time the co was here and apparently had a few things to say to the cobe when they were discussing the process.
the co asked why the poor guy had four re-instatement hearings and why the co had received a letter from him detailing that he "did not think he could do anymore".. anyway, long story short, the co sat in the hearing and hey presto the brother was re-instated.
my brother and the co spoke with the brother and the co said that he had done well and was sorry that the process has taken so long and shook his hand.. now he mentioned the latest letter about confidentiality and said that the society is being hit left right and center with civil lawsuits and are scared as the have no way of defending them.
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Londo111
I am curious about liability in regard to the local needs which is sometimes used for reproof, usually in response to a judicial action or marking. True…the person's name is never mentioned. But people simply can think back to who was announced, or if they work with the pioneers, they can get the person's name from the rumor mill.
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Should Barbara Anderson Write a Book?
by Scott77 inif yes, would you buy it?
what would be the suggested topic for the book?
any idea are welcome.. .
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Londo111
It would be interesting, especially if she has any inside contacts, to detail HQ history since the time of Ray Franz leaving.
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So, let's kick this revolution up a gear
by rory-ks ini left a comment on a jwstruggle post - who's in our worldwide brotherhood?
it was aimed at a new visitor to the site:.
what you have stumbled across here is what would be termed an apostate website.
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Londo111
I feel Black Sheep is right. The sound of a leaf rustling can trigger cult mentality. This is a delicate operation--they didn't capture Bin Laden by marching an army to his doorstep.
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Is this the only Watchtower prophesy ever to come true?
by Fernando inhey y'all i think i've found one watchtower prophesy that is coming true:.
"bid ignorance and error fly.
" (song 168, recognizing earths new king, psalm 2:12).
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Londo111
I wonder about statistics for this site, month by month, year by year. It would be interesting to know.
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Explain in a FEW word's why the 607 date is incorrect.
by XPeterX in"if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it wel enough" albert einstein.
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Londo111
Djeggnog,
Despite my better judgment, I shall post again, even though I might be "striking the air". Oftentimes, I get the sense the discussions you are having with others as well as myself are going past each other. I am very curious as to who you are. From personal experience, I know the average Witness would not consider for a moment to look at a site such as this, much less engage in conversation here. Even though Christian Freedom allows it, it is 180 degrees from what the Society directs, and such disloyalty could result in disciplinary action if come to light. Unless you are not just the average Witness.
I would like to go back to what I said before about the misrepresentations in the publications, setting aside whether 607 BC is scriptural or not, much less backed up by any evidence outside the Bible. If a person wishes to believe and teach 607 BC as the date of Jerusalem's destruction, that is their prerogative, but never at the cost of honesty and integrity. As Christians, we must speak truth at all times. We must worship God in "spirit and truth". Christian love "rejoices in truth". It is better not to quote someone, than to quote selectively in such a way to misrepresent their thoughts.
Again, "Wisdom is crying aloud in the streets"…a little searching and one can find instances were the Society's publications have failed to meet this fundamental criteria of Christian practice--especially in regard to 607 BC. However, I would like to highlight a few instances.
Let us go to the November 2011 Public Watchtower, page 28. Note 18, regarding VAT 4956 says, "Though the cuneiform sign for the moon is clear and unambiguous, some of the signs for the names of the planets and their positions are unclear. (Mesopotamian Planetary Astronomy—Astrology, by David Brown, published 2000, pages 53-57) Because of this, the planetary observations are open to speculation and to several different interpretations."
Again setting aside whether 607 BC is correct, or if VAT 4569 is a reliable witness--the reference Mesopotamian Planetary Astronomy-Astrology is cited to support that idea why the planetary observations should be thrown out. However, the reference says no such thing. VAT 4956 contains clear and unambiguous planetary names.
Note 17 says, "Therefore, the first Babylonian month (Nisanu) would have started the new year two months earlier, on May 2/3. While normally the year of this eclipse would have begun on April 3/4, VAT 4956 states on line 6 that an extra month (intercalary) was added after the twelfth (last) month (Addaru) of the preceding year. (The tablet reads: “8th of month II2.”) Therefore, this made the new year actually not start until May 2/3."
In all the years of this calendar system, the month of Nissan never began in May. Intercalary months were only added so that the year would not begin before the spring equinox. It would never have been added in such a way to make the year start exceedingly late like this. Here, the Society readjusted the known calendar for this year in order to point to a lunar observation and force it agree with VAT 4956.
BTW--if VAT 4956 is irrelevant as you have previously said, why is the Society putting so much credence in this astronomical diary? Is this not "food at the proper time"? Are you not contradicting "the Slave"?
Finally, I would like to point out this link:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/224416/1/The-June-2012-citation-of-Ephraim-Stern
Here we see that the June 2012 Awake selectively quoting Ephraim Stern in an effort to prove the case for 607 BC. However, when reading the quotation in full context, it is a flagrant misrepresentation of what the scholar is saying.
There are many other misrepresentations in Part 1 & 2, as well as other articles, and AnnOMaly and others have pointed them out. For the benefit of the lurkers, as well as yourself, I would consult the following link of links about this subject. Digging will be required, but the secular quotations in their context can be found in abundance, as well as what some of these scholars thought of how they were quoted.
To my brothers and sisters who may be lurking: know that I love you.
Londo
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Londo111
Symbolic. It's in Revelation after all...
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Anxiety attacks and Door to Door Activity...what have you observed?
by Momma-Tossed-Me induring door to door activity in the distant past i have had the experience of witnessing actual anxiety attacks of jw's who could not handle that required preaching on that day and on more than one occasion.. this is what i have seen on multiple occassions.. extreme headaches, upset stomach to the point of vomiting, visible trembling before even approaching the door, arguments with spouses and children, signs of elevated blood pressure, light sensitiity, a total character change, and basicly a complete shut down to the point of limited communication.
yes we all have butterflies in the stomach associated with certain activities but what i am talking about here bodily affliction to the point of physically affecting the individual in some cases for the rest of the day.. these symptoms are obviously present for some newbie to this type of activity but i have observed this from people who have been exposed to this type of work for years.
i think the body just cannot handle the stress anymore, and the marination in the hormones associated with it.
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Londo111
Amen, amen.
And what caused added anxiety is that it never got any easier despite prayer. Therefore, I wondered, what is wrong with me? Am I that bad that God is withholding his spirit from me? Evidently so, I had to assume.
Then couple that with: If I don't do a good job at the door, people could everlastingly die at Armageddon because of me. Thus, not only was I doomed and bloodguilty, I was dooming other people to destruction.