Thanks summer, I don't know why. When I typed the message, I did it in paragraphs but when it posted...it posted as one long, run-on paragraph. How do I fix that??
KungFu
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im an atheist and i like the idea of being an athiest but its kinda hard
by Lotus65 inim an atheist and i like the idea that comes with freedom of though and analytical thinking that follows being atheistic vs having a religion im just kinda in a jam because i need to try and find something to completely lose the thoughts in the back of my head that say what if im wrong and i "suffer" because of it.
i feel that if i can find something to destroy these thoughts i can be alot more comfortable with my views and opinions.
anyone have any thoughts on what i should do.
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im an atheist and i like the idea of being an athiest but its kinda hard
by Lotus65 inim an atheist and i like the idea that comes with freedom of though and analytical thinking that follows being atheistic vs having a religion im just kinda in a jam because i need to try and find something to completely lose the thoughts in the back of my head that say what if im wrong and i "suffer" because of it.
i feel that if i can find something to destroy these thoughts i can be alot more comfortable with my views and opinions.
anyone have any thoughts on what i should do.
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KungFu
Hey,
We'll use some rational thinking to help you out with the irrational thinking that's going on in your mind. So you wonder, what if you're wrong? What's the WORST that will happen if you're wrong? What's the WORST you'll suffer?...............I want you to think about this before you read on. Answer in your mind what's the worst scenario........What's the absolute WORST? We want to find out specifically what your greatest fear is. As long as it stays ambiguous in your mind, you'll be wondering just what it is that's scaring you.
I don't personally believe in a god. But if there was a god and he's the way everyone describes him, and he gave you a brain to reason with and he's everywhere and knows everything, and can read your thoughts, then he knows you have legitimate reasons for doubting certain things. He knows that you're a sincere person and that you've got good reason to question things. And he's supposed to be loving, so he can empathize with you and knows the pain you've dealt with. So I seriously doubt that if you're a half-way decent person, that god would be doing a service to the world to either wipe you out or fry you forever . So your worst case scenario probably doesn't even match up with the idea that god is loving....one of the many masses of contradictions that exist in religion. On the other hand, what a relief if there's actually no god! If there's no god, it's like a huge burden lifted from you. That means there's no tool-bag watching your every move and judging it. And if there is a god and he's loving, he's probably very understanding and wise. I mean, if he's intelligent enough to make the planets and he knows EVERYTHING, he's probably not some juvenile a$$wipe that just is sooooo hungry for people to tell him how great he is. That would be like me owning an ant farm and burning the ants because they're not telling me how great I am every minute because I'm insecure and weak-minded.
Trust me, the god of the bible is a fiction. Very much so. If there is a creative being, he's probably way different than the way they make him out to be. How's THIS for logic? "Ummmmmm, son, you know, Fred that lives across town? Well, he's done some bad things. He killed a man. Now, I want to forgive him for doing it, but the only way I can forgive him, is to kill YOU. I know you're a good person. You're probably the most generous and caring person in the world, but the ONLY way I can forgive Fred is to let these gang members over here torture you to death. But I LOVE you!". See, I say if you're going to choose to believe in a god, then at least hold him up to the same behavior and reasoning standards that you hold yourself and other people to. At the very LEAST...but actually his standards should be much higher. See the stupidity? You have nothing to be afraid of except your own imagination.
And also, like I said, what a breath of fresh air if there's actually no such thing as a god! At the very least, we know that the god people believe in is imaginary. "No one can see god and live!" How convenient. There's absolutely zero proof! "You just have to believe!". Ahhh...so once again, no evidence. God is imaginary. As imaginary as the Greek and Roman gods. If there's no sensory evidence......nothing seen or sensed, other than as a concept, then you're strictly in the realm of belief and belief, my friend, isn't fact. Belief is dependent on the imagination. That's how the mind works. You've never seen a "god" but your mind can form a mental image or likeness of a big guy on a throne with light
surrounding him. Belief is dependent on imagination. Facts, on the other hand, are not. The only thing we know for sure is that the world exists. Even ideas like the big bang are theory. And no one REALLY has ever stopped to ask this one simple question. Did the universe have a beginning? This question isn't really all that important for being a happy person. People put waaaaaay too much importance on the origins of life. But the belief in a god or in a big bang assumes or presupposes that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning, and no one really knows if it did. It could have just always been here. We've assumed that because everything we know of in our finite, puny little human existence has a beginning that the same applies to the universe. The truth is, WE DON'T KNOW. And not knowing is okay. It's really not that big a deal! Do you know exactly how your computer works or your tv or radio? Could you build one from scratch? Do you understand the workings of the body? Our understanding of the world is VERY limited, even with science as it is today.
Imagine being an ancient Greek or an ancient Israelite. You don't have microscopes. You're a farmer your entire life. Suddenly a disease swoops in and kills a bunch of people! What the f??? GOD must have cursed us! What did we do wrong? Well we did complain the other day about the weather and being hungry. THAT must be what ticked god off! Let's repent and burn a live goat!!! We know god loves goats!! Especially burnt ones!!! Jesus f-ing Christ!!!!!!But yeah, if you're going to choose a belief, atheism is a pretty good choice in my book. And if you're going to make something your "religion", why not make science your religion? Even if some of the theories turn out not to be true, at least they tell you from the start it's a theory. And the theories of science are usually more sane and reasonable than some of the crazy stuff religions have come up with. There's just so much more sanity and clarity. And people aren't killing other people over whether they like Darwin or Sir Isaac Newton better. So, if you really like rational thinking, and I think you do, I hope this post has given you some relief and clarity. Trust me. I cursed every god and demon I could think of. Jehovah, Jesus, Buddha, Bahaulah, Satan, Krishna, Vishnu, Zeus, Hermes, Ares.......and many more....just to get over my irrational fear back in the day, and 6 years later I'm still healthy. No one struck me dead. If you want to overcome your fear, try saying "Jehovah is my b_tch". You won't be struck by lightning. hahahaha.........Take it easy pal. Oh, and no need to try to be a good person and save the world and all that crap. Just relax and enjoy yourself. You're alright the way you are.
Just take it easy. Enjoy your life as much as possible. Let the evangelists worry about "saving the world" and all that non-sense.......Take care! -
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Anxiety symptoms
by Silvia Plath inever since i stopped my study i have gotten completely depressed, unable to sleep, i really depended on my study group to keep me sane and give me purpose but now my bi-polar symptoms have come back with a vengeance.
i thought about going to another church because ruminuating on a creator did help me sleep at night and now i have not slept for four days.
i never realized how much i was becoming dependent on the religious structure.
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Hey Silvia,
What's up? I noticed your post and would agree with some of the others that seeking outside help is a good idea. In the meantime, you might be able to do something briefly, just so you can see exactly what it is that you really want. You see, I noticed a lot just from what you wrote in your post. I would imagine that you had REASONS for stopping your study (just like I had my reasons for leaving the JWs). And of course, they were good reasons.....But the group also gave you something. You said that you depended on your study group to give you purpose and that ruminating on a creator helped you sleep at night. That you were becoming dependent on the religious structure. So what else in your life could give you a sense of purpose ? What other feelings did being with a group and focusing on a creator give you(besides purpose, maybe it allowed you to feel connected with other people or at ease......those are just examples, those could be other things you felt or it could be entirely different)? ...........Relax and take about 5 minutes to write down what you had to gain from it........then take maybe 5 minutes and write down other things you've done in the past that gave you the same feelings of purpose and direction and whatever other feelings you gained....or what COULD give you those same feelings. Write down all the possibilities........Now you have a list of things you can do to give you those same good feelings......You could even take it a step further and write down all of the foods you really like. The types of movies and t.v. programs that give you good feelings. The types of music that make you feel energized. The people you really enjoy being around. The aromas you enjoy. The sights you enjoy...and surround yourself with these. Now, you can allow yourself to simply fill in the void and fill those needs that need to be filled and allow yourself to SLOW DOWN and really let these learnings about yourself sink in and absorb them. You might even be able to remember a time in the past when you dealt with something.......something that at the time seemed like such a painful experience. And although it was painful at the time you can look back at it and laugh about it now, because like with any experience where you've experienced difficulty, it allowed you to learn and grow and you could look back on it today and say to yourself "Never again". And you survived and became a stronger person with more life experience. Who knows? You may even notice yourself being able to sleep more easily.
Take care :)
Jonathan
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Quote 1 "Hmmmm. I'm feeling philosophical. A Bush is a Bush is a Bush is a Bush is a Bush." ::Frowns::
"Then if a Bush is a Bush is a Bush, which came first?? The Bush or the Bush??"
Quote 2 : "Duh, I'm frowning now but if I stand on my head it'll look like I'm smiling.......Duh"
Quote 3: "That Saddam's last name shouldn't be 'Who's sane'. His name should be Saddam INsane. huh huh.......huhuhuh. I made a funny."
Quote 4: "Sometime I get corn-fused between me and my Daddy. You know, cause his name is George Bush and cause my name is George Bush. Why did my last name have to be Bush?? That sounds borderline pornographic. Or is that phonographic?? Damn it hurts my head to think. If I'm not thinking about Iraq, I'm thinking about nukulular weapons of mass dickstrucshun. I need to take a Midol for this headache. I think it's that time of month again."
Quote 5: "I don't know why my interns don't like my sweet talk. I tried to copy James Bond. I said "The names Bush, George Bush. Da Dant....Da Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!" I don't know why it didn't work. I thought it was pretty smoothe myself. Especially the part where I say "Da Dant....Da Daaaaaaaaaa!!"
Quote 6: "You know, I told Saddam I was going to go over there and kick his ass. The only problem is, I'm only one man. And he won't fight fair. He has himself and this big army. But I put my foot in my mouth. He was like "Georgie, I'm gonna kick yer ass!!" And I was like "You and what army??"
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What Would You Do With 18 Million Dollars???
by kelpie inhi everyone.... just abit of a fluff thread really.... in australia there is an 18 million dollar lotto draw happening on the 15th of february... .
it got me to thinking... what would i spend it on???.
i know that the first thing i would do is pay off all my debts, buy 2 houses, one to live in and one to rent out, buy a new car, put money in trust funds for the kids and give some money to my family.... that still lives at least 10 million dollars... i would have to go on an around the world holiday (first class all the way) ok take of a million... .
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KungFu
I would use the money to buy the WT Society so that I could be King of the J.W.'s then in the upcoming articles I would say that Jehovah has decided to build an army to take over the world and that Jehovah said to send all of the fine-ass virgins to HQ to be my personal concubines and that Jehovah said that He needs 10% of their income because He can't balance his freakin checkbook and that Jehovah said he's very old and needs the money since He's retarded, I mean, retired. Also Jehovah says that I'm the real Faithfool and Diskreet Slayve and that he really didn't know what the hell he was talking about when he told the Governing Body that they were the Faithful Slave. So he changed His mind again and now I am. And Jehovah says that Jesus and I are actually twins and that Jesus sent me to return instead of himself because I look just like him so no one would be able to tell the freakin difference anyway.
p.s. God told me to write this reply so those of you that choose to ignore will rot in the blue hell!!
p.p.s. God says this time he really really really means what he says!!
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When does religion become myth?
by whyhideit inin my time in school and college, i always enjoyed the study of ancient greek, roman, chinese, and native american myth.
yet at the same time we have beliefs in modern religions, such as christianity, that there is a heaven with jesus christ, jehovah, angels, the devil, and demons.
1500 years from now, will jesus christ be a myth.
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KungFu
Religion becomes myth as soon as it's called "religion". The only difference is how people see it. Religion and myth are all the same to me. I think it's pretty stupid that people take old myths and call it fact.........and old conversations, and try to apply them to themselves LITERALLY. Dead conversations are exactly that, dead conversations. They applied at the moment. Hmmm, to me taking myth too seriously is rediculous.and reading an ancient conversation AS IF the person talking thousands of years ago was talking directly to you, is just plain crazy. We're talking about people reading dialogue between 2 people thousands of years ago. It isn't like Jesus or whoever is right there chatting with them. Plus religions ignores the burden of proof. Why?? Because there IS no proof. Makes no sense. Honestly, most religion is myth with a little bit of history. That's it. And the harm religion has done has really outweighed the good. Religion has done some good things, but a lot more harm has come from religion than good. Hopefully people will open their eyes one day and stop blindly believing what they're told.
p.s. I wonder how many similarities a person could find between Egyptian religion and Judaism and Christianity. That would be interesting to find out. Considering that the Israelites, according to legend, had history in Egypt. What does this mean?? Think about it. I don't know history, but let's say I was a Bible thumper. The Bible says the sons of joseph spent a long time (hundreds of years??) in Egypt. If that is true, then Joseph's sons were Egyptians. And they had plenty of time to be exposed to Egyptian religion and culture. Maybe they even borrowed their religious ideas from Egypt and doctored them up a little. Who knows??
KungFu
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Letting Go
by KungFu inhow's life in x-jw hell??
hahahahahaha.
i left 'the bullsh!t' almost one year ago and i know how crazy the road out can be.
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Thanks Guys!!
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Letting Go
by KungFu inhow's life in x-jw hell??
hahahahahaha.
i left 'the bullsh!t' almost one year ago and i know how crazy the road out can be.
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KungFu
Hi Everyone!!
How's life in X-JW hell?? hahahahahaha. I left 'the bullsh!t' almost one year ago and I know how crazy the road out can be. When you leave the J.W.'s they put the "funk" in dysfunctional. I've replied a handful of times to threads and posts here, but usually try to avoid spending too much time dwelling on the past.....Even though I say this, I've found myself in a deep depression a lot of times. I realize the source of it though. Basically, when you go through the wave of emotions involved in leaving the JW's (emotions involved even before leaving, such as discovering that everything you were taught is a lie) there is residual emotional poison. Anyway, I'm not here to bring up any specific J.W. issues. Plenty of you have done that already. This post is about learning to let go of the past. And occasionally I'll post what I find works for me and share it with the rest of you who are dealing with the same emotional poison I'm dealing with.
Here's a meditation that may help. Imagine that you were just born today, the same age that you are, but you were born blank. Every night when going to sleep, imagine your sleep as your death, and when you awaken each morning, imagine that as your rebirth......and each rebirth as being born blank, completely fresh. Now, this meditation serves 2 purposes. First, it allows us to not let the past define where we are going, since any past attachment is a limitation. If we look at the past as some big obstacle to overcome, we're putting limitations on ourselves by letting our past define ourselves. Second, it's a reminder to us that we need to live each day fully, as if it was our last day on earth. If you were told you had 24 hours left to live, you would cherish every breath and let go of any inhibitions and do all of the things you wanted to do. By practicing the art of dieing, we learn the art of living. Death is coming for each of us and the Earth doesn't have any permanent tenants. That shouldn't scare us though. We all come from the same Source. And returning to that Source is peaceful :)
KungFu
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ARMAGEDDON!
by UnDisfellowshipped inthe following picture is from the watchtower, february 15th 1975 issue, page 100:.
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KungFu
From looking at the pictures on this thread (from the WT Society's literature) I've made an amazing discovery!! God's favorite weapon of choice is lightning!! Yay!!
A list, in order, of God's favorite devices for creating mischief and mayhem and destruction!!
#1 Favorite: Lightning!! Yay!!
#2 Favorite: Scepters!! (For some strange reason God's weapon of choice for smashing stuff is a sceptor)
I have to give God originality points on that one. I'd piss in my pants too if I saw a big arm with a
scepter in hand smashing buildings. I'd be saying "Whoa. Like what is that big thick rod with
the ball at the end of it?? And why is that big arm like, uh, smashing stuff??"
#3 Favorite: Fire baby!! Fire!! fire!!
#4 Favorite device of choice by God for creating mayhem: an axe!! Yes.look at the pics in the beginning of
this thread, and you will see God hacking down some trees with an axe. Wow!!
#5 Favorite: Godzilla. God created Godzilla so that when he gets bored with using lightning, or his thick,
manly arms are getting tired from smashing buildings with a scepter, he can have fun watching
Godzilla smash stuff!!
GOD LOVES SMASHING THINGS!! (And that stupid little guy with the loaded gun is clueless. Like his gun is going to stop an arm from the sky from smashing him with a scepter. Get real!!)
KungFu
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Why the Memorial?
by professor inwhy is it that everyone and his cousin shows up for the memorial?
what is it about this meeting that makes people come out of the woodwork?
is it like going to church on easter and christmas or something?
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See, I was thinking about bringing some winos with me to the memorial. Seeing that to me, it would only be worth going to if we could get the party started right. See, I missed last memorial, being DFed. But I thought to myself, "Okay, we have alcohol, a sound system and a large building at our disposal once a year. It's party time baby!!". So, I was thinking, you know, invite a load of people, including a few winos. The alcohol is already there. And there's already food in case anyone gets the munchies. All I have to do is bring some good music to dance to (Kingdom Melodies just don't cut it). Maybe we could also have a punk rock band there performing on the podium. And I could invite Bub. Me and Bub go way back. He's my roomie in hell. Me and Bub (Beelzebub) are tight. So what do you think?? DJ-ing and live music, heavy alcohol consumption and crackaz. Think they'd go for it?? The attendance would be high so the numbers would look good. Oh, and everyone consuming alcohol there would be considered "anointed".