what did you have to hide from the elder's sight if they came to your house?.
I had an elder rudely sit and go through all my CDs and it wasn't because he was a music fan. He was one of those self-righteous elders who loved to tell the story of how he threw away all his music in the 70s when he learned the troof, even if it was just the cover that was bad
I was daring him to say something but he didn't, just quietly judged me.
apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.
some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.
anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.
I agree with what many of you have said, in fact I'd be surprised if they DIDN'T cut the conventions back to 2 days in the next year or 2. If they're going to the extremes of closing down branches and cutting the magazines in half, they'd be stupid not to cut costs in this area too.
I just attended one here in the UK, there were roughly 2600 LESS in attendance on the Friday than there were on the Sunday afternoon. I spent a lot of time during the sessions wandering about, and so did 100s of other attendees. The local MacDonalds was full of them every time I walked past during the sessions. People were getting up and coming back with a load of coffees for everyone in their group shamelessly during the program. It's obviously too long for most to pay attention to even after shortening the program and making every talk shorter to keep them interested.
I think rented venues are causing problems too. At the one I attended there was a crazy amount of brothers attending. It could only be because of strict health/safety/security rules imposed by the venue. At one point I stood out in a corridor where you couldn't hear anything of the convention and counted 15 JWs working as attendants, standing around talking in groups of 2 or 3. Walk further around the corridor and you'd see 15 more. They even had to resort to having sisters attending, probably the same amount as they had brothers.
Also, if their game plan is to keep JW kids in and get them heading for baptism, forcing them to sit through 3 days of a mind-numbingly boring DC is NOT the way to go about it.
And they definitely neglected to mention anything about next years conventions at this one. All of the conventions are being shuffled around in my area, getting smaller and cheaper by the year. I don't think anyone would be surprised or particularly suspicious if they announced there were going to be 2 day conventions in assembly halls next year.
so the local elders where i live recently had a big meeting with the hlc elders and i got a brief summary of what was said.
thought i'd share.. it seems the jws aren't capable of making a decision based on their personal conscience.
they are confused by the whole fraction thing and end up refusing the lot 'just in case' or accepting some and refusing others making them look like idiots.
So the local elders where I live recently had a big meeting with the HLC elders and I got a brief summary of what was said. Thought I'd share.
It seems the Jws aren't capable of making a decision based on their personal conscience. They are confused by the whole fraction thing and end up refusing the lot 'just in case' or accepting some and refusing others making them look like idiots. This is a big problem for the HLC/society.
So there seems to be a push to make sure that the Dubs are accepting everything they're allowed and are comfortable with accepting fractions. This is nothing new, they've been encouraging this for years now, presumably to prevent having frustrated doctors and bad publicity.
To clear up any confusion about whether they ought to accept fractions or not, the elders are being told to drop the word 'fractions' and use the term 'blood derivatives' in it's place. That way the dubs don't feel like they're actually taking a part of blood
No word on the nonsensical components vs. fractions thing though.
Oh, and it seems none of the witlesses have their advanced directives up to date. Tut tut. Another headache for the HLC.
I wish they'd just hurry up and make the whole blood issue a conscience matter, I definitely see it going that way eventually.
i have a feeling i am going to have to explain to my jw folks why i have decided to allow my children to participate in holidays at school.
theyll probably be wondering too why i will get together with our non jw family for the holidays.. .
we know jws avoid holidays because of their pagan origins.
I love the one about lipstick. An elder in my hall used to comment about ankle bracelets and how sisters shouldn't wear them because they used to be a sign that a woman was a prostitute .
Wish I could have come back with the retort that lipstick was used a sign that a prostitute would perform oral sex. (He was an anti-oral sex kind of elder but his wife was never seen without her make-up).
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breaking news:.
the honda motor corporation make jehovah sad.. honda's online brochure describes the latest civic has having "magic seats" and are innovative.. jehovah's earthly representatives are expected to call for an early boycott of all new civics because satan loves magic and jehovah does not, no way.. sparlock the new spokesperson for the devil has described the latest unfolding events and seats as significant..
Hahahahaa A JW friend on facebook just posted a status boasting about how her kid has got a leading role in his school play.... The Wizard of OZ!!
We haven't had our DC here yet
for those of you on facebook there is a fan page for the wizard https://www.facebook.com/sparlockthewizard.
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Same here Cedars, I did get a giggle out of imaging elders holding a serious Judicial Commitee investigating a witless who has 'liked' Sparlock on FB. How ludicrous! It is a shame about the 'cult' thing and the offensive posts on the page, I think a lot of JWs would fall for it without those. I remember after the conventions a few years ago lots of my JW friends were 'liking' Bad News Al thinking it was funny. Don't know if that had anything to do with you guys?
hey peeps,.
it's been a long while since i've posted (i am completely out - wife and kids still in) but thought you might this interesting.. they came home from the district convention yesterday with the new dvd intended for kids.
they popped it in right away and this is what happens:.
I think the best thing to do with this video is to get it shown on forums all over the Internet, particularly parenting forums.
As a loyal JW I would have cringed to see this video being shared with and discussed by 'worldly' people, I definitely wouldn't have felt proud. I don't think I would have even wanted to share it with a study.
As for non-JW's, you can pretty much guarentee that any who see this disturbing stuff will run a mile from any JW trying to convert them.
Contacting the press is unlikely to have much success imo, you need to get it going viral first, then the press might get interested. I would do it in a heartbeat if I wasn't concerned about compromising my anonymity. (My fade isn't going too well and the elders are onto me already). I'm a member of a few parenting communities online and I know that if this video got posted for discussion it would be viewed by potentially thousands of concerned parents. It's best if you're already a member of a forum though so you don't just 'hit-and-run'.
Hopefully someone here has more balls than me and will do this.
I'm thinking mainly about the wizard toy video. Nothing negative needs to be said about it, the GB have done all the work for you . It's clear they never intended this to be seen by non-JW families and will have really shot themselves in the foot if it goes public.
jehovah's witnesses don't have a message.
they have an alternate lifestyle.. for persons put off by teachings of eternal torment they offer eternal sleep or a paradise earth.. for christians disaffected by tepid sermons and rituals they offer a vital lifesaving field service ministry.. in a world saturated in sex and exhibitionism, loud rude music and apathy they offer modesty of dress, cleanliness and worldwide family.. they are seen by the world much the same way as the amish only more modern.. people find their teaching quaint or laughable but think they are sincere and eager for postive change.. .
this is a brand more than a religion.. when the average person looks at jw's they see loyalty.
I agree with this. Even as a loyal JW I recognised it was a lifestyle choice for me. Then I realised that it wasn't fair to force my lifestyle choice on my son and definitely not in his bests interests. That's when I woke up.
The thing is, once a JW has made that decision, that this is what they want to believe, that they're going to follow the GB no matter what and whatever they're being taught is always the truth, they stop asking questions. 'Studying' becomes pointless beyond preparing comments for meetings, colouring in a magazine to show people you're 'spiritual' and indoctrinating yourself further to suppress the doubts.
Study was always boring for me and a chore before I opened my mind and starte asking questions.
i'm trying to figure out if i'm the only one.
it actually feels weird because i would assume this is geared at teenage girls, not, like...28.8 year old men.
but it seemed like an awesome adventure story, the best i've read apart from some of the truly great star wars novels (the best ones are largely written by matthew stover).
Another Hunger Games fan here, loved the books and the film, but then I love any dystopian fiction Can't wait for the next one!
