hello, redhorsewoman,.
i was reading the long post of 2nd may 2000, about donations, and i could not .
help myself to send you this information concerning your quote:.
G'day all,
I have a question: How do the Society put a value on the literature supplied to the congregation? Do we all subconsciously think back to the "old" rates? Otherwies, how did the Branch determine that the donations were insufficient?
I'm intrigued.
Ozzie (still of the wondering class)
does it seem plausible to you that some of the society's apparent flip-flops on doctrine are simply errors by the writing department?.
for instance, take the question of whether the inhabitants of sodom and gomorrah will be resurrected.
around 1989, the revised edition of you can live forever in paradise said no, the insight book said something else and the revelation climax book said something else.
Thanks TR for the refs,
I'm especially interested in the 1928 quote re 'Bible errors'.
I've been looking for this for some time. Could you post the complete quotation, say the paragraph? Or scan and email. Thanks v much. I'll be using it to help some friends see the arrogance/blasphemy taught in the W/T in Joe Ratherflawed's time as Pres.
Cheers,
Ozzie
why do you bother to post on this site?
what good does it do you?
what do you gain from posting?.
You are an Englishman,
When I saw the effect on my wife of attending last year's District Convention and seeing her weeping in one of the talks, the anger prompted me to post.
Since then I'm reassured by fellow posters and I hope that what I might post can be of some help to others, especially the lurkers, of whom I too was one.
Cheers,
Ozzie (freedom fun class)
look at the picture in the june 1, 1993 wt.
jesus is carrying a pole up the hill to golgatha that he is going to be crucified on.
jesus has a crown of thorns and is wearing only a towel around his waist.. now the wt decided to use this picture again in the january 1,2001 wt.. notice the changes.
Scorpion,
It surely couldn't have been a cross-beam? !
Ozzie
does it seem plausible to you that some of the society's apparent flip-flops on doctrine are simply errors by the writing department?.
for instance, take the question of whether the inhabitants of sodom and gomorrah will be resurrected.
around 1989, the revised edition of you can live forever in paradise said no, the insight book said something else and the revelation climax book said something else.
It's a thought, ain't it, Gopher.
Can you recall the W/T (Borg/Society/F&DS) ever saying they're sorry?
Yours in sadness,
Ozzie
does it seem plausible to you that some of the society's apparent flip-flops on doctrine are simply errors by the writing department?.
for instance, take the question of whether the inhabitants of sodom and gomorrah will be resurrected.
around 1989, the revised edition of you can live forever in paradise said no, the insight book said something else and the revelation climax book said something else.
G'day comment,
I think there's much in what you say. I can recall one year, some years ago now, a new book being released at the District Convention. Here we were led to believe was "new light", "food at the proper time". Within a few months there was a correction via the Questions from Readers section of the Watchtower magazine. The point being corrected was important. So, we wondered, how did Jesus, as head of the Congregations, arrange for this book costing a great amount of money to produce, yet containing an error? Methinks Jesus wouldn't allow that if he'd known!
Remarkably, the 'Society" did not admit to a mistake in their QFR article but simply a change in understanding! So we can assume that the cosmic phone line from Jehovah/Jesus to the F&DS had a bit of 'interference' on the line!!
Cheers,
Ozzie
i'm trying to get a clear "take" on this:.
the wts has often implied that their form of missionary work, concentrating on "preaching and teaching", is superior to that of christendom's.
christendom often starts out by bringing food supplies, hospitals and the like, supposedly "enticing" the natives with material goodies.
Of course there is the obligation on Christians to "look after orphans and widows in their tribulation"(Jas 1:27).
I suppose the question is then, Are these orphans and widows inside the congregation or in the world at large?
Ozzie
thank you for this board i was enjoying many of the posts here for some time.
being from russia, i also enjoy this melting pot atmosphere of the fearless norse, nonchalant aussies and unostentatious americans and i really do like your britishers jolly good sense of humour.. and then comes slang: i was enjoying deciphering all the btw fyi imo imho acronyms.
today that i think i understood what lol means i decided to sign in.
Welcome, welcome Drue!
What an interesting couple of posts. Fascinating! You are so fluent in the English language that I wondered, Are You a Westerner or a Russian? You certainly have articulated what many people within the Borg feel. Yes, I used that word Borg. I think it stands for 'Big Organisation' but I stand to be corrected by my learned companions.
You may have noticed that guy Farkel poking his tongue out at you. Actually he can be a very humorous guy. (can't you, Farkel?)
His motto is 'What, Me Worry?' (Farkel may not know it but I read MAD magazine from Issue number 1).
How is the borg faring at present in Russia? What state are the congregations in? We would be interested because your country has been held out to us westerners who are getting slack as being a model of zealous appreciation to 'The Truth'.
I look forward to reading more of your posts if you are able to.
Cheers,
Ozzie
i do have a problem...can you help me to harmonize these quotes?.
*** yb75 39 united states of america (part one) ***.
all congregation members voted congregationally on certain matters and also elected a board of elders, responsible for directing congregational matters.
G'day Mac,
It's interesting, isn't it, to see how the original arrangement (described in Yearbook 1975) was closer to the New Testament model?
For example:
Of Timothy: "when the body of older men laid their hands upon
you" (1 Tim 4:14)
Of the men to carry the collection to Jerusalem: "I(Paul)
will give letters of introduction to the men you (Corinthian
congregation)approve"
The re-writing of JW history even goes to saying that the congregation became more theocratic in the time of Joe Ratherflawed, whereas, in fact, they became further removed from first-century Christianity. Remarkably, the Society state that the change from locally appointed bodies of elders to Society appointed "Service Directors" was a refinement organisationally as foretold in Scripture.
Instaed of getting closer to the New Testament model as the Time of the End has progressed, it actually went further away!
Ozzie
imagine that you had never heard of the watchtower.
imagine that your life and that of your families had never been influenced by wt teachings.. i know for a fact that the wt's philosophy on further education contributed to my not achieving what i should have at school.
this is not to shirk the responsibility for my grades; ultimately they were my responsibility.
G'day expatbrit,
Don't worry, be happy.
For myself, je ne regret rien, or something like that. The thing is that all of life's experiences mould us in one way or another. We wouldn't be the people we are today, older and wiser, if it weren't for what we were previously doing.
At times we experienced heartache, but other times were happy. We can easily forget that. Remember the pleasant memories of volunteering on food service at the assemblies?
Now we have the time to take stock of our lives, to smell the roses and enjoy other things in God's Creation. In previous times we may not have had the time to do those things. the organisation keeps people so busy that they don't have time to take stock, to have time 'for themselves'. But now that has changed. Thank God for that!
Cheers,
ozzie
