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How do JWs know that millions who were martyred as Christians before the 20th century did not have the heavenly hope?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
as i understand it, jehovah’s witnesses believe less than 145,000 faithful christians existed prior to the twentieth century.

the other sheep christians did not start forming until after 1914. that means jehovah’s witnesses view millions martyred for their faith in christ prior to the 20th century as merely professed christians.. the question is…how do witnesses know that those millions who perished for their faith in christ were not christians at all?.
ozziepost

how do Witnesses know that those millions who perished for their faith in Christ were not Christians at all?
If I can recall ( it seems so long ago) this was one of those things we/(they) close not to think about too much. Y’now those lines of thought that got terminated by “it’s in Jehovah’s hands”,
Looking back, there were so many of those unexplained thoughts.
Part of my own awakening was to visit the catacombs in Rome and see at first hand the evidence of so many early christian martyrs and to realise that it didn’t look realistic to claim there were less than 144,000 in the centuries before 1914.
For those R&F in these current times I find it hard to grasp how they can possibly accept an increasing number of the remnant (memorial partakers).
Cognitive dissonance indeed !
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
ozziepost

@Vintage
Ozziepost, is the USA part of the colonies?
Simon knows I’m in the land downunder.
Dunno what the USA is a part of, do you? 🥴
Cheers,
Ozzie 🍷 ( Freedom classmate )
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
by Newly Enlightened in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
original reddit post (removed).
ozziepost

@Simon
I suspect that you and I left the UK for similar reasons, even though expressed differently ?
I’m glad to say that Mrs Ozzie and I found a much better place, even though it’s in the “colonies”.
🍷
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Somehow I think nobody read the memo!
by LostintheFog1999 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
i came across an old notebook of mine when we were spring cleaning our attic space.. for some reason i had written down these two references from older wt magazines.. reading over the two of them now i can only think that elders didn't pay any attention to the message either at the time or since.

*** w75 8/1 p. 474 par.

14 elders presiding in a fine way ***.
ozziepost

"It is important for those in the congregation to appreciate why this congregation committee exists
May I clarify what is being referred to here.
At the time i.e, 1966, before the elder arrangement was introduced, each congregation had a stipulated number of “servants”, the most senior forming a three-man “Service committee”. They were the congregation servant (the boss), the assistant congregation servant and the bible study servant.
This is the committee that the 66WT is referring to.
Invariably these three men would form a judicial committee as required.
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Is The Religion Of Jehovah's Witnesses Biblical?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the answer is a definite no!.

because every doctrine that is unique to jehovah's witnesses is not in the bible.

the unique doctrines of jehovah’s witnesses are the ones that only jehovah’s witnesses teach.
ozziepost

Has anyone ever become a Christian of a specific church
Well, here’s the thing, becoming a christian doesn’t mean belonging to any particular church organisation.
Of course, the dubs would hold to a different view but that’s all to do with their view that God has always had an organisation. The reality is that a christian doesn’t view any particular denomination as being “the Truth”.
Cheers,
Ozzie 🍷
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2022-12-19--Vaccination Requirement!
by Atlantis in
1. jw
2. friends
2022-12-19--vaccination requirement.. .

click image to enlarge.. .

https://postimg.cc/xxvbcwdv .
ozziepost

And yet, here in Australia it is ok for the rank and file to attend meetings unvaccinated

Yep, if that Announcement was given in the land Downunder it would be met with a degree of puzzlement.
Our places of assembly like theatres and churches (and presumably Kingdom Halls too) have long ago disposed of any kind of restrictions and even though we apparently have a wave of covid infections. The only restrictions I’m aware of are in visiting aged care facilities.
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What hymns will you never hear sung in Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses?
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
for sure you will never hear the national anthem of heaven below.

do you know others?.

https://youtu.be/gkovqfcdegu.
ozziepost

Remember we got new songbooks with updated and removed songs.
There’s even “new light (TM)” shining on a songbook ! 🤔
The thought police are active.
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Myth of 1914
by peacefulpete in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
the wt engages in history revisionism when insisting the world changed overnight in 1914. in fact the european power struggles that came to a head were centuries old.

millions of lives had been lost in the wars of the 19th century, with the world a powder keg the years prior to the assassination of franz ferdinand in june 1914 which is often said, albeit rather arbitrarily, as the start of the war that escalated over the next 4 years into the great war.

take a look at these two pages and ask if the wt's interpretation of history seems accurate to you.
ozziepost

G’day,
I’ve come to this thread late, but a post by TD with extract from Watchtower 1933 caught my eye (and ire!):
https://img.jehovahs-witness.com/image/f2a72c1fe120221304aded02cf272606?s=480
No-one seems to have picked up on the sacrilegious statement by “the F&DS”. Upon entering heaven after his resurrection, Christ was “told to wait”, kick his heels, how could christians at the time, and now, not see how sacrilegious, even blasphemous, that teaching is.
Cheers,
Ozzie 🍷
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So after many years I’m back for a bit
by truthsetsonefree in
1. jw
2. experiences
i have been out for a long time now and have kept busy.

but tonight my jw mom asked me what is happening in norway.

so i researched and wow!
ozziepost

Hi truthsetsonefree
I see you joined in a bygone era as did I.
Sorry we’ve not interacted before this that I can recall but glad to read of an old-timer who’s made a successful exit.
The borg lives on but is much changed from when you and I were R&F devotees. The “troof” is no longer what we once knew.
A whole new membership worships at the throne of the F&DS.
Cheers to you,
Ozzie 🍷
‘Getting my hours in’ class
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Who really is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
if anyone were to come up to you claiming that they are the faithful and discreet slave, how would you go about proving them to be false, based upon scripture?.

estephan.
ozziepost

Should we re-name this thread?
Footnote: this is a good example of going off-topic.🫣🥴
OK carry on
Cheers,
Ozzie (of the Tony Morris class) 🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷🍷
P.S. hi scholar, you’ve done it again! 🙃