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  Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authenticity of "The Book of Daniel" but not that of Enoch's?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  according to the jehovah's witness book called insight vol.

  "authenticity.

  some critics question the authenticity of daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of christianity, porphyry, who contended that the book of daniel was forged by a palestinian jew of the time of antiochus epiphanes.

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  Thanks Ziddina
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  Why do the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authenticity of "The Book of Daniel" but not that of Enoch's?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  according to the jehovah's witness book called insight vol.

  "authenticity.

  some critics question the authenticity of daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of christianity, porphyry, who contended that the book of daniel was forged by a palestinian jew of the time of antiochus epiphanes.

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  According to the Jehovah's Witness book called Insight Vol. 1:

  "Authenticity. Some critics question the authenticity of Daniel, assuming the position taken by a third-century heathen philosopher and enemy of Christianity, Porphyry, who contended that the book of Daniel was forged by a Palestinian Jew of the time of Antiochus Epiphanes. This forger, he theorized, took past events and made them appear to be prophecies. The genuineness of the book of Daniel was not seriously questioned, however, from that day until the early part of the 18th century. Jesus Christ's own acceptance of Daniel's prophecy is an even more significant evidence of its authenticity.-Mt 24:15; Da 11:31.

  Historical. Several manuscripts of parts of the book of Daniel were found in the Dead Sea Caves . The earliest manuscript dates from the first half of the first century B.C.E.; the book of Daniel was an accepted part of the Scriptures in that time and was so well known to the Jews that many copies had already been made of it. That it was recognized as a canonical book of that time is supported by the writer of the Apocryphal, but historical, book of First Maccabees (2:59, 60), who made reference to Daniel's deliverance from the den of lions, and that of the three Hebrews from the fiery furnace.
  We have also the testimony of the Jewish historian Josephus, who states that the prophecies of Daniel were shown to Alexander the Great when he entered Jerusalem. This occurred in about 332 B.C.E., more than 150 years before the Maccabean period. Josephus says of the event: "When the book of Daniel was shown to him, in which he had declared that one of the Greeks would destroy the empire of the Persians, he believed himself to be the one indicated." (Jewish Antiquities, XI, 337 [viii, 5]) History also recounts that Alexander bestowed great favors on the Jews, and this is believed to have been because of what Daniel said about him in prophecy."

  My thoughts: If the Jehovah's Witnesses accept the Book of Daniel as authentic based on "proof" from Jesus (Mt 24:15;Da 11:31), Dead Sea Scrolls, and Jewish Antiquities then why is the Book of Enoch which can be historically proven in the same way not accepted within their Canon? The Book of Enoch: 1) Dead Sea Scrolls, 2) mentioned in the inspired Book of Jude, 3) Tertullian (160-230 C.E) even called the Book of Enoch "Holy Scripture", 4) Josephus took his information from a source such as 1Enoch 6-11 "two stelae" and the list goes on.
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  I've been challenged by a JW apologist and need some answers please.

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  the apologists states: "give at least one example in the bible where the word prototokos (firstborn) does not carry the meaning of "a beginning of existence.

  or present any occurrence of the genitive phrase "firstborn of ..." which does not include the subject as part of the group.".

  hi aggressive questions present the logical fallacy of false dilemma.

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  The apologists states: "Give at least one example in the bible where the word PROTOTOKOS (firstborn) does not carry the meaning of "a beginning of existence. Or present any occurrence of the genitive phrase "firstborn of ..." which does not include the subject as part of the group."

  Hi aggressive questions present the logical fallacy of false dilemma. I gave the answers to the first part of the question but for somereason it was not good enough for him.

  1) Special status, i.e., the supremacy in rank, associated with a firstborn. Id. Besides Luke 2:27, there are seven other usages of prototokos in the New Testament: Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18; Hebrews 1:6, 11:28, 12:23; and Revelation 1:5. None of these usages in conjunction with Christ make reference to His physical birth. The Septuagint (the Old Testament written in Greek) also uses prototokos in reference to the supremacy in rank as in Psalm 89:27 [NASB95], which reads, "I also shall make him My firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth."

  More answers would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!!
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  If Jesus was created then why is the word protoktisis not used the Bible?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  is the word protoktisis from koine greek language?

  i do know that clement used it a centuries later.

  any greek scholars out there?

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  What is the TLG, by the way?
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  If Jesus was created then why is the word protoktisis not used the Bible?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  is the word protoktisis from koine greek language?

  i do know that clement used it a centuries later.

  any greek scholars out there?

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  THANK YOU SOOOOO
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  If Jesus was created then why is the word protoktisis not used the Bible?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  is the word protoktisis from koine greek language?

  i do know that clement used it a centuries later.

  any greek scholars out there?

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  Is the word protoktisis from Koine Greek language? I do know that Clement used it a centuries later. Any greek scholars out there? Thanks
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  According to today's JW standards, would Jesus be considered an apostate or opposer?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  what rules in the elder's manual would jesus be charged with if he were here today?

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  What rules in the Elder's manual would Jesus be charged with if He were here today?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses: Is it Christian or Unchristian for men to wear makeup at the Kingdom Hall?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  jehovah's witnesses on ya: does prince wear make-up?.

  if he does, what does jah say about that?

  does the bible make it implicit or explicit in regards to men wearing make-up?

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  Jehovah's Witnesses on YA: does Prince wear make-up?

  If he does, what does Jah say about that? Does the Bible make it implicit or explicit in regards to men wearing make-up? If Prince wears make-up, should he be reproved?
  
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  Responder states: "As for your comment about wearing make-up, that was in the Mosaic Law (which Christians aren't under, but instead their conscience), & was likely talking about looking feminine for immoral purposes".
  
  Men wearing make-up appeals to vanity. Human beings naturally want to be accepted by the world around them. But what does God say about this? "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world" (I John 2:15-16)
  
  It is IMPLIED in the New Testament by Paul himself that it is a sin for men to wear make-up.

  Responder states,"you're mentioning scriptural PRINCIPLES. I happen to agree wih them, but that doesn't mean it would be a good idea to enforce matters of conscience"

  JWs, is this particular JW responder promoting homosexual tendencies within your sect?

  JW responder on YA states-"Again, you're mentioning scriptural PRINCIPLES. I happen to agree with them, but that doesn't mean it would be a good idea to enforce matters of conscience. That seem to be a very dogmatic & un-christian idea of yours."

  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;...
  
  So it is a matter of conscience for men to either wear makeup or not around Jehovah's Witnesses at the Kingdom Hall? If that's tolerated, are they also allowed to dress in drag?
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  Did Jesus participate in judicial committee hearings?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  did jesus condone such hearings?.

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  Did Jesus condone such hearings?
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  In the somewhat newly found (2000) tablet called "Gabriel's Vision", did Gabriel (possibly an Archangel) raise Simon from the dead?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  the tablet has many key words missing and it is assumed by many scholars that gabriel may be the archangel mentioned here.

  did gabriel raise simon from the dead as described within this tablet?

  if this gabriel (on the tablet) were the archangel as mentioned in the book of enoch as well as other parabiblical literature, how does this pose a problem for those who believe archangels are not able to resurrect people from the dead?

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  Thank you Leolaia. You are so very informative and knowledgeable!!!