Posts by tootired2care

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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover

by processor in

there was an error on the latest awake!

cover.

here is the correct version.. .

tootired2care

@processor:

Perhaps you could expound a little more on all those many other details.

The Bible clearly mentions "the four corners of the earth"

The only place in the bible it says the four corners is in revelation chapter 7:1; and it is not commenting at all on the actual configuration of the earth. If you look at the context (I realize it probably asking too much of you to read) of the passage you'll see that is quite figurative/symbolic in describing in terms humans could more readily understand what the angels were up to, in holding back God's wrath (described as wind) on earths sinners.

I can't find anything in the bible that speaks of socket pedetals and earth...where was that again :p

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Awake! November 2011 - correct cover

by processor in

there was an error on the latest awake!

cover.

here is the correct version.. .

tootired2care

For centuries, all devout Bible believers knew the Earth was flat. All of a sudden, SCIENCE proves the Earth is round and first Bible believers reject it ,but when the evidence becomes overwhelming they change to: "Well the Bible said that all along."

@Simon17 - the flat earth society were never really bible readers they just bowed to the crap of the Catholic church which does not really read or teach what the bible says. Here is what the bible actually does have written about that aspect of the earth.

21 Do YOU people not know? Do YOU not hear? Has it not been told to YOU from the outset? Have YOU not applied understanding from the foundations of the earth? 22 There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell, 23 the One who is reducing high officials to nothing, who has made the very judges of the earth as a mere unreality. -- Isaiah 40:21-23

He is stretching out the north over the empty place, Hanging the earth upon nothing; -- Job 26:7

There is plenty of ignorance to go around, but the bible in no way gives credence to the idea of a flat earth! The blame for that ignorance rests squarly on those jack asses at the Catholic church for perpetuating that ignorance and killing those who didn't agree with their dogma.

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Is it too much to ask the "CREATOR" in this technological, scientific age to give us a modern update for his intentions?

by smiddy in

is this a fair question to put to jehovah / yahweh or whoever ?

in all sincerity i do not mean any disrespect to any beleivers in the god of the bible, but this is a truly remarkable age with communication advances incomparable with 2000 years ago , if the creator or jesus christ were truly interested in giving everybody the chance of everlasting life , wouldn`t they be giving people the opportunity to hear a more current up to date warning now ?

and not relying on messages in languages that are not in use today and are subject to so many different interpretations ?.

tootired2care

Good question dgp, it seems that with all of the confusion and noise of it all; that God never really expected many to make it (refer to my last post) think of all those Muslims, Chinese and Indians and those who pretend to be Christians in Christendom that don't meet the criteria of 1 Thes 1:6-8 of knowing God. It seems nothing short of a miracle would convert those billions!

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Is it too much to ask the "CREATOR" in this technological, scientific age to give us a modern update for his intentions?

by smiddy in

is this a fair question to put to jehovah / yahweh or whoever ?

in all sincerity i do not mean any disrespect to any beleivers in the god of the bible, but this is a truly remarkable age with communication advances incomparable with 2000 years ago , if the creator or jesus christ were truly interested in giving everybody the chance of everlasting life , wouldn`t they be giving people the opportunity to hear a more current up to date warning now ?

and not relying on messages in languages that are not in use today and are subject to so many different interpretations ?.

tootired2care

Few DO find the narrow path. Christ is that narrow path and few find Him. But the great multitude that come through the tribulation is uncounted, large, and from every tribe, nation, people tongue. (from revelations)

@TEC - This statement you made contradicts itself. So maybe several millions from every nation and tribe will be saved; when you compare that to the billions alive now the statement still holds that God does intend to kill off most of earths population that he deems wicked or those that don't know him according to 2Thes 1:6 (quoted below)

This takes into account that it is righteous on God’s part to repay tribulation to those who make tribulation for YOU, 7 but, to YOU who suffer tribulation, relief along with us at the revelation of the Lord Jesus from heaven with his powerful angels 8 in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. 9 These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 10 at the time he comes to be glorified in connection with his holy ones and to be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith, because the witness we gave met with faith among YOU.

(1) I have been listening and looking to Christ. (2) I must believe Christ. Because He is the Truth. He is the Life.

So how do you do that? I assume that you mean reading the bible and putting faith in what is said praying etc. Jesus attested or endorsed the bible in John 17:17 stating "Your word is truth" compare John 4:24, John 1:1. So it's either all true, or all false; and the holy spirit wouldn't get some of it right and some of it wrong. Jesus referenced the old testament many times in his teaching too. So a true believer doesn't pick and choose what they want to do or beleive from the bible and expect salvation. They either accept it all or they don't. So the scriptures make very plain what Gods intentions are which cannot be diluted or sugar coated.

So the point stands that most of earths population will be exterminated by Jesus and his angels at the behest of God who has a legal issue with sinners.

Only the ones we listen to are different.

What exactly do you mean by this?

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Is it too much to ask the "CREATOR" in this technological, scientific age to give us a modern update for his intentions?

by smiddy in

is this a fair question to put to jehovah / yahweh or whoever ?

in all sincerity i do not mean any disrespect to any beleivers in the god of the bible, but this is a truly remarkable age with communication advances incomparable with 2000 years ago , if the creator or jesus christ were truly interested in giving everybody the chance of everlasting life , wouldn`t they be giving people the opportunity to hear a more current up to date warning now ?

and not relying on messages in languages that are not in use today and are subject to so many different interpretations ?.

tootired2care

He never planned to annihilate 99% of the earths population in the first place.

@TEC if that is the case than I'd sure be interested to see what bible you've been reading that brought you to that conclusion. Taking your advise and searching the scriptures...If you look at Matt 7:13 and compare with 2Thes 1:6, you'll see that God does intend to kill most of the earths population off (maybe not 90% exactly) that does not do things his way (e.g. living a life of selflessness with just the bare neccessities, endlessly preaching etc Matt 6:33, Matt 28:19,20).

Don't believe me still?

“This is what Jehovah of armies has said, ‘Look! A calamity is going forth from nation to nation, and a great tempest itself will be roused up from the remotest parts of the earth. 33 And those slain by Jehovah will certainly come to be in that day from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth. They will not be bewailed, neither will they be gathered up or be buried. As manure on the surface of the ground they will become.’ -Jer 25:32-33

“The great day of Jehovah is near. It is near, and there is a hurrying [of it] very much. The sound of the day of Jehovah is bitter. There a mighty man is letting out a cry. 15 That day is a day of fury, a day of distress and of anguish, a day of storm and of desolation, a day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick gloom, 16 a day of horn and of alarm signal, against the fortified cities and against the high corner towers. 17 And I will cause distress to mankind, and they will certainly walk like blind men; because it is against Jehovah that they have sinned. And their blood will actually be poured out like dust, and their bowels like the dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to deliver them in the day of Jehovah’s fury; but by the fire of his zeal the whole earth will be devoured, because he will make an extermination, indeed a terrible one, of all the inhabitants of the earth. - Zeph 1:14-18

His intentions are clear as day. I agree with Smiddy though we're overdue for some communication from the high command! People eventually get tired of waiting for the end.

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Is it really paradise?

by tootired2care in

jw
friends

i have been a jw all of my life.

after being burned out as an ms and getting tired of waiting for the end to come, and other things, i decided to start the fade process a month ago (want to keep family ties open) and start living my life.

i've noted few points gave me serious doubts about my current course.

tootired2care

Good point flipper that generation change just felt like a big CYA to keep the millions from dropping the heavy burdens because the end hasn't come yet as soon as I heard it. They should be telling folks to live a good and balanced life that is sustainable and admit that they have no freaking clue when the end is going to come and stop this insanity!

Case and point; the other week this brother commented how in 2011 there were most 7.0 earthquakes ever recorded. A quick check of USGS showed differentely last year there was actually less 7.0's than in other years.

Last year they lowered aux pioneer to 30 hours as a special (perhaps never to be repeated activity is how they sold it), now guess what they are doing this year :) It just floors me how they give no regard to life balance just burn yourself out, blame your stress on "this system of things" and then pray for holy spirit to assist you!

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Is it really paradise?

by tootired2care in

jw
friends

i have been a jw all of my life.

after being burned out as an ms and getting tired of waiting for the end to come, and other things, i decided to start the fade process a month ago (want to keep family ties open) and start living my life.

i've noted few points gave me serious doubts about my current course.

tootired2care

I had to laugh because when I was a true believer, the thought of attending all those meetings forever used to made me cringe.

Yea it amazes me that they expect us to spend just about every ounce of our free time involved in some theocratic activity and expect us to be joyful and happy! I think most put on a face because they keep saying we're in the "last of the last days". I wonder how many really buy it, and after 15 years of hearing that we're still here. It's cruel that they expect us to maintain this heavy burdened lifestyle year after year under the framing that the end is right here when they have no idea when it will actually come. Whats more is that now they want family heads to make up there own meetings (family worship) as if we didn't have enough on our plates already!

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Is it really paradise?

by tootired2care in

jw
friends

i have been a jw all of my life.

after being burned out as an ms and getting tired of waiting for the end to come, and other things, i decided to start the fade process a month ago (want to keep family ties open) and start living my life.

i've noted few points gave me serious doubts about my current course.

tootired2care

Thanks for comments it's really nice to have a place be able to express myself openly and get unvarnished feedback from free thinkers such as yourselves.

Regarding the sword...

The sword was something that we understand, so it can be used as a symbol for someone who later wrote down that story (inspired, literal, myth or whatever). The story did not come first, and then we got the idea to go out and invent swords.

My understanding though of that part of the Genesis account is that it's a recording of actual events that took place. Not a work of symbolism such as in the book of Revelation. Therefore I would submit that the sword had to be as real as the two cherubs standing next to it; it would not be logical to mix symbolic elements with an accounting of a real event that took place. If this were the case it would call into question the validity of many other historical accounts that the bible chronicles which have proven accurate based on archealogical findings.

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Is it really paradise?

by tootired2care in

jw
friends

i have been a jw all of my life.

after being burned out as an ms and getting tired of waiting for the end to come, and other things, i decided to start the fade process a month ago (want to keep family ties open) and start living my life.

i've noted few points gave me serious doubts about my current course.

tootired2care

Just a little bit why?

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Is it really paradise?

by tootired2care in

jw
friends

i have been a jw all of my life.

after being burned out as an ms and getting tired of waiting for the end to come, and other things, i decided to start the fade process a month ago (want to keep family ties open) and start living my life.

i've noted few points gave me serious doubts about my current course.

tootired2care

I have been a JW all of my life. After being burned out as an MS and getting tired of waiting for the end to come, and other things, I decided to start the fade process a month ago (want to keep family ties open) and start living my life. I've noted few points gave me serious doubts about my current course. I'm curious what are your thoughts on these?

1. After my many years of service I saw time and time again how family member and friends that really put themselves on the line and needed help and earnestly prayed for it never got the help that they were supposed to get from the holy spirit. It made me conclude that there is a good chance there is no Holy Spirit "magic" that really provides assistance as they would have you believe. So why are we asked to pray for it when it really has no observable effect?

2. I have never liked meetings and service, its always been an akward, uncomfortable and boring (E.G. every year we have to learn why we need to go to all three days of convention-are we little kids!) experience for me. One night I was pondering this and I thought that even if I make it to paradise that implies 1000 years of bible studies and meetings (WT style) followed by another test. Everyone makes paradise sound so wonderful but is it really? Sure the earth will be cleaned up no dying etc. However real freedom will never exist, you'll still have to go to meeting and do bible studies and worship. In other words walking the Godly way is not for those who want to do what they want to do really? I just get really depressed when I think of 1000 years of meetings and bible studies with resurrected.

3. Why did God invent the sword before man ever knew anything of war? Cherubs gaurding eden with "flaming sword", but then we are supposed to shun all war and violence?