.....states that there is 95% certainty climate change is man made.
people are still saying we don't need to do anything about it.. if you were told there is a 95% risk of you dying if you don't change your diet, wouldn't you change your diet?.
In summary - climate has always changed, we can't do anything about it and an Ice Age is coming so why bother.
Nice try, that's not what i'm saying at all. I'm saying that advances in science are really the only thing that is going to save us from a destiny that we cannot alter, and that is where our focus should be, rather than dumb wasteful ideas or regression of civilization.
.....states that there is 95% certainty climate change is man made.
people are still saying we don't need to do anything about it.. if you were told there is a 95% risk of you dying if you don't change your diet, wouldn't you change your diet?.
Yep - change the subject without answering my question on the point you just raised.
Last I checked we're still on the same subject, and I havn't made any claims that there is any AGW consensus, however, you did. As far as I can tell, you havn't substantiated the claim that there is a 97% AGW consensus amongst climate scientists. The majority are actually mute on the specific point at present.
they seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
As stupid as it is to a rational mind, this is actually democracy "working".
they seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
Interesting times ... we get to watch an empire fall. They always fall from within while a massive army watches on.
Yes they are. America has been through far worse though, and politics have always been rancorous here. In the not too distant past, some politicians saw fit to settle their disputes with a dual. Maybe they were on to something there...
they seem determined to undermine the us democracy and shut the government down hurting employees and veterans.. what a despicable bunch, hope they get their asses kicked for what they are doing..
I personally thought they should have just fully funded the unaffordable care act with more monopoly money, damn the consequences, and let the dems fully own their terribly botched legislation.
I understand shock value but don't you think calling them "terrorists" is going a bit far though? Are we going to start throwing that word around like racist now too?
Do you realize that since 1976 the US government has shutdown 17 times? This is pretty standard operating procedure in US politics when positions are intransigent, and agreements cannot be met.
.....states that there is 95% certainty climate change is man made.
people are still saying we don't need to do anything about it.. if you were told there is a 95% risk of you dying if you don't change your diet, wouldn't you change your diet?.
Cleaner air and water are always a good thing, and I believe reasonable measures to stop or mitigate unneccessary pollution is a no brainer for better quality of life for us and the animals, I think we can all hopefully agree there.
I havn't seen ice core samples mentioned on here yet so apologies if it has; now, this doesn't discount the data that has been collected over the last dozen decades coorborating that the earth is warming. For me though, what these ice core data graphs really provide is a realistic perspective on just how tumultuous and cyclical the earth has proven to be in terms of surface temperature, c02 and ice ages. Projecting from data availiable, the reality is there will eventually be another ice age, whether any human exists on this planet or not. For this reason, taking an extremist or religiously apocolyptical position over this issue doesn't make much sense, and I don't understand how folks can argue that altering our activities is going to somehow change this destiny. No doubt we will have scientific breakthoughts in energy and propulsion systems that will enable us to survive in such harse conditions or colonize another planet and survive the next ice age. With population explosion, and the next ice age, we probably will not have a choice.
.....states that there is 95% certainty climate change is man made.
people are still saying we don't need to do anything about it.. if you were told there is a 95% risk of you dying if you don't change your diet, wouldn't you change your diet?.
A follow-up study by the Skeptical Science team of over 12,000 peer-reviewed abstracts on the subjects of 'global warming' and 'global climate change' published between 1991 and 2011 found that of the papers taking a position on the cause of global warming, over 97% agreed that humans are causing it ( Cook 2013 ). The scientific authors of the papers were also contacted and asked to rate their own papers, and again over 97% whose papers took a position on the cause said humans are causing global warming.
You didn't mention that 66.4% of those 12,000 papers considered in the Cook study made no assertion that warming is AGW caused. So let's add it up, 73 scientists out of 10,000, and 32.6 percent of 12,000 published papers on global warming constitute a 97% global consensus on AGW. The reality is your 97% figure is a myth.
.....states that there is 95% certainty climate change is man made.
people are still saying we don't need to do anything about it.. if you were told there is a 95% risk of you dying if you don't change your diet, wouldn't you change your diet?.
How do you arrive at the 97% figure?
Unless Betsy has a new source, she is probably referring to the 2009 Doron/Zimmerman survey that came up with the 97% figure. The details of how that survey was conducted are quite fascinating.
According to Ambler's [peer] review of the Doron/Zimmerman data, 10,257 scientists were contacted, 3,146 responded. That's less than 31%. Of that group "only 5% described themselves as climate scientists, numbering 157. The authors reduced that by half by only counting those who they classed as "specialists."
Ambler further dissects the consensus: "In our survey, the most specialized and knowledgeable respondents (with regard to climate change) are those who listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change (79 individuals in total). Of these specialists, 96.2% (76 of 79) answered "risen" to question 1 and 97.4% (75 of 77) answered yes to question 2."
http://voices.yahoo.com/only-76-scientists-97-agree-cagw-11314412.html?cat=3
i have recently joined the site.
i was just appointed an elder this summer.
i started discovering the ttatt (the truth about the truth) last year after putting a few things together myself concerning the leadership and then doing some research online.. i really enjoyed jwfacts.com, jwsurvey, and others.
Welcome to forum, I guess that Holy Spirit just doesn't quite work like they would have everyone believe. Congrats on your freedom from the corporation.
grappling with conscience .
a must read, i wept by the rivers of babylon,a prisoner of conscience in a time of war, is an important self-portrait of a naive young man, terry walstrom, who in 1967 thought he was obeying his conscience when he refused to take up arms and kill.
inasmuch as he was a conscientious objector, walstrom could have availed himself of noncombatant service in the military, but he was opposed to that arrangement.
This is wonderful Terry, the best kinda roast is slow roast I can't wait to read it!
