OMG Fred Hall -
Those were 3 completely coherent sentences. WOW! Are you sick, bud?
Just checkin'
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hypocrite jehovah witness
by BERNARD inmy wife has a meeting tonite and did not go.
i came home and ask her about her meeting.
her excuse "i had to take the kids to doctor for there check up".i mean she should schedule the kids appointments on non meetings night but she don't.her almighty mother meeting is on wednesday night, i asked her well she make it up tommorrow night at her mother meeting.
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Did Crisis of Conscience damage you?
by Mulan init has been suggested, by a man we know, that those who read crisis of conscience, are left with a feeling of despair and are "cast adrift" after reading it.
it is his opinion that the book shouldn't have been written, because it does harm to people.
i do not agree, and would like to hear from anyone who has an opinion to share, so i can print all this out and show it to him.. comments, everyone, please????
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I think that if his book was the first exposure to the atrosities within the WTBTS, then quite possibly you could be "cast adrift". But I don't see that as a bad thing. The one thing I liked about his book was that there was no 2nd agenda. He wasn't telling you about the bad things so that you could come into his "religion" or any thing else. He told you the problems he saw and let you make the decision for yourself on what your next step should be.
I think that the WTBTS gets so many of it's members, because they want to be led to the right way. And they don't think for themselves. I think he leaves the thinking up to the person who is reading his book and that is where it should be. To many people jump in without thinking about all the options. That is why they are so blind to other possibilities and theories. They don't want to think about it. They just WANT it to be right and won't listen to anything that can cast doubt.
Being "cast adrift" lets you see what is out there. All the different theories. Lets you decide and hopefully make an informed decision about it. It is those who panic at being 'adrift' that have a problem. They will latch on to the first thing they find that makes any sense. Thereby starting the whole cycle over again.
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Trusting You To Make Me Smile!
by Englishman ina few months ago, 'somebody' - or 'chag' to h20'-ers, and i, had some dialogue about smiley music.. 'smiley' music is music that brings a great big smile to your face, when you hum or whistle along to it, you just can't help a big grin spreading from ear to ear.
it has to be good enough for you to say "wow, that is good", it has to be good enough for someone to take the trouble to wait for the download via audiogalaxy before they have even heard it.. so, what music / song can you recommend to others like me?
bear in mind, please, that i shall post my opinions very, very honestly, especially if it takes forever to download!.
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There are two very funny songs I can recommend.
Dr. Dimento - Masochism Tango & It's Christmas and I wonder where I am.
You might find the chrismas song under Bob & Tom .
Can't wait to read what you think.
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Email to my Dad on the UN / Prison Stories
by msil inok......it has taken me lots of soul searching to put this post up (it contains some facts i dont really feel all that comfortable putting up).
but i will try and leave out here for as long as i can.. it is an email i have sent to my dad.
it is a followup - he has some of the info on the un already.
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I fight back tears reading your words. We have all been through what WE call hell. But your words make many of us realize that our own hell is not nearly as bad as what you call your life.
To me you are the epitamy(sp?) of strength. My heart and prayers go out to you. You have a strength I envy. I consider my own life one of strength. But you make me realize how strong some of us must be to survive. I don't have your strength. I hope that I never have to have your strength. But should I ever need that kind of strength I will think of you.
I know your path has been a "narrow" one. And for that you have suffered. And now you must feel it was all for naught. But take heart in the fact that you had something to believe in at the time. You will find something else to believe in. We all know the heartbreak of finding out that what we believed in was a farse. We have felt the sting at some point. Maybe none as sharply as you. But as time goes on, I have realized that there are other things out there worth believing in. So,, we are not shang-highed as easily as we were before. We now research our decisions BEFORE we make them. But doesn't that make us a little smarter than those who just believe because they are told. I was gullible for waaay tooo many years. I think I research every thing now. Sometimes I think toooo many things. Until I come across that one hoax. The one I almost believed, but thank god I didn't tell anybody about it first. Then I realize I am smarter than I used to be. And I have to be thankful for that.
We live and we learn. It sucks. But it is true. All we can do is hope to learn from it before it is too late. So that we can make the rest of our lives better.
I am waxing phylisophical here. I apologize.
I don't know your complete story. I may never. I watch this thread to see if you post more. But I must tell you, I am inspired by you. I know you are going through hell right now. I hope your parents actually listen to you. I believe that the words your father spoke are actually something you should take hope from. It sounds as if he is trying to convince himself. You need to get to him before he can. It sounds as if there are questions in his heart now. If you wait too long, he will find a way to resolve those questions. The Org. has taught him well, I am sure. Keep giving him reason to doubt.
These are just my thoughts. I hope they do not offend.
Hugs to you. You will be in my thoughts.
No words can describe the insperation you give to others.
Peace be with you.
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Raymond Franz Never A Member of GB/Fathers Email
by ladonna inyep, that's right!!.
i called my mother tonight to say a friendly hello.
you guessed it.
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Ladonna-
My heart goes out to you. I know that you are hurt and scared. Your lifeline gone. But I would like to say something that hopefully will give you some encouragement.
I have no qualification other than having to go through the same thing you have. But these thoughts get me through rough days.One thing you have to be thankful for is the fact that you are strong. Somehow, our parents instilled in us a way of finding strength in the worst of situations. Whether they liked it or not somehow we got the ability to be individual thinkers. Even though when we left the Org we may not have known exactly what was driving us out, we knew that we needed to be gone from that awfulness. Somehow we were strong enough to stand up and get out. Somehow, we were strong enough to look into our past and find out the Truth about the truth. WE, who have lost our families in the Journey, are STRONG. WE, who have been kicked so often while down, think on our own. WE have our OWN mind. WE are NOT controled. WE ARE STRONG! WE ARE INDIVIDUALS! and WE ARE NOT ALONE! We are here and we are together. We are lucky. We are no longer being led. We are no longer followers.
So now our lives begin. They begin in the light. The light of awareness. The light of knowledge.We can go forward. And we will. Because we are strong. We are individuals. And we ARE loved. By each other.
Love always,
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Horror of horrors.....
by Tatiana ini know that while being a witness, we were not really allowed to watch horror movies, or anything that smacked of demonism.
anything supernatural.
my question is, what movie or movies, since leaving the society, has really scared or upset you?
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The first scary movie I ever saw was when I was 12 and a JW. It was the Nightmare on Elm street movie. #1. That terrified me, because it took place in the one place you have no control over, your dreams. The concept itself had me sleepless for a long time.
My mother(the JW) gave me one bit of advice that I followed for a VERY long time. That was to NEVER see the movie "The Excorsist". I followed that advice until last year, when I finally thought that I could handle it. It was very unnerving. But it didn't effect me too badly. Then they came out with the special edition. It had some extra scenes. The one where she is going down the steps in a crab walk, made me scream. I just wasn't prepaired for that. My mother was right about it being a very scary movie. But that also makes it one of my favorites.
The Sixth Sense was one of the most awsome movies I have ever seen. Although I didn't think it was scary in any way, I loved every bit of it. I own it on DVD and watch it often. I also bought the special edition of The Excorsist. You know, just in case my mom comes by.
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I NEED ADVICE DESPERATELY!!!
by concerned fiance inhere is my situation: my fiance is now 27 years old.
he was raised as a jw from the age of 2 through 18. at that time, his whole family left the "truth" except for his older brother who had already married another woman from the faith.
for the past 9 years, he has been living his life to the fullest, but still loving god, praying often and he is a truly honest and moral person.
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Concerned,
You have definately got food for thought. I would just like to give you one other view. The view from HIS side. I used to be him. I got out when I was 16, but still believed. I am now 32 and I just learned it was all a load of cr** last year. What made me see it for what it was? A scare. Some rumor that really didn't mean anything, but that at the time, raised the hair on the back of my neck. I was so bad off that I thought that the only way to save my child was to give her to a family member inside the orginization. How screwed up is that?? Luckily, I decided to look around the internet first, and I found out so much, so quickly that my head spun. I am very happy to finally know the 'truth' about the truth, but I know that there was no way I would have listened to anyone talking bad about it. I had to find it out for myself. You mentioned that you have suggested that he do research. I suggest the Ray Franz book. It is a true eye opener. If it is possible for him to see, he will see from that book.
Don't give up. There is hope. I was once as blind as him and here I am now. Eyes wide open and loving every minute of it. Sometimes it really does work out.
((((hugs)))))
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Dan Rather on Dave Letterman last night
by Tallyman inwatching the david letterman "late show" last night was very touching.. dave had on as his main guest, dan rather, cbs newsman and anchor.
of the cbs evening news.. now, this man, rather, is supposed to be a hardened journalist,.
whose job is to report the news objectively and hide emotions/opinion.. he has seen a lot in his long career as a journalist.. he broke down in tears last night twice while dave was interviewing .
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The point of last night's comment about those cheering on the roof in brooklyn was that they had previous knowledge of what was going to happen. I am hopeful that of the (last I heard) 49 people in FBI custody, those are some of them.
Be it true or not, it is a sad reality that there were those in our country that DID find great joy in what happened in New York, and at the Pentegon. The question I have to wonder about is, that if we strike back, what will those "sleepers" do to us. They are here. And that is scary.
On the subject of JW's: God knows I have no great affection for them. But as another person has already mentioned, I know of No JW that would openly cheer because of what happened a week ago today. Especially not while it was happening.
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Canadian TV Note: Pedophile Coverup, Murder
by Maximus ini've been given some sketchy information that says the cbc is presenting its program straight talk tonight, possibly 7 pm eastern time.. in that program james kostelniuk's book and personal story will be covered.. "sheep among wolves," the story of murder in a jehovah's witness community.
perhaps someone in canada could check this out and publish details below, or correct this
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Max -
Are you thinking dateline could be a multi-part series?
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