Cofty I can offer another line of though. You see God likes to laugh at our face and his main purpose is to see how many people will believe in him without offering any proof. He is a funny guy that likes to play jokes on his creation.
atrapado
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Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?
by Christ Alone ini just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
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Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?
by Christ Alone ini just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
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atrapado
@tec ' Everything that God does or requires or asks is for our benefit.'
Sure you can read that in some book and hear people say it. But the evidence shows otherwise. Does repeating something make it so?
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Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?
by Christ Alone ini just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
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atrapado
I cannot find a logical explication why God would need faith from his own creation. Perhaps he likes to toy arround with things and experiment at his pleasure. And as cofty pointed out faith and trust are different. You need to build trust when did God build this trust with each individual. He perform all those miracles according to the Bible but shows no evidence today(and we can't even proove that they happen back then). Yet he lets people manipulate his so call word and enslaved masses.
Either God just decided to stop giving proof because he got tired(whatever reason you want) or because they didn't happen. Now there are those that say we don't have the right to question God because he created us. Well until God shows up and tells me not to question him and explains in terms I can understand why he is doing what he is doing then perhaps I'll stop questioning.
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Survey: Who here is an atheist? Who here still believes in God?
by Christ Alone ini just wanted to take a survey.
let's not let this get into the same old same old debate of atheism vs belief.
just respond with "atheist" or "believer" or "maybe god exists".
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atrapado
agnostic
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Where has the the society changed the bible to reflect their teachings?
by loosie ini am having a discussion with a jw who has contacted me on facebook.
we are discussing the changed the wt society made to hte bible.
in short he says he has a hebrew friend and that friend says the nwt is correct and no changes have been made.
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atrapado
The verse I like is Hebrews 1:6. Only the reference Bible has a note translating Proskuneo as worship. So the father asks the angels to proskuneo the son. That chapter talks about the son and how he is viewed.
So Proskuneo is used many places for Jesus but the NWT never uses worship when refering to Jesus. You can see their bias towards it because JW's used to worship Jesus but come the 1950s and the NWT and they stopped. Jesus didn't get in his apostals cases when they proskenuo him(Matthew 28:17,Matthew 28:9, John 20:28 ). Even though an angel told John not to do it and Peter told Cornelio not to do it either. Even the devil used the same word when ask Jesus to proskenuo him.
You can see more details on this link:
http://carm.org/religious-movements/jehovahs-witnesses/new-world-translation-and-proskuneo-worship
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Where has the the society changed the bible to reflect their teachings?
by loosie ini am having a discussion with a jw who has contacted me on facebook.
we are discussing the changed the wt society made to hte bible.
in short he says he has a hebrew friend and that friend says the nwt is correct and no changes have been made.
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atrapado
DATA-DOG
Well the only argument is that we don't have the originals. So even if there is more evidence on one side the other can hang on that straw. However their argument is flaw. They claim that the Septuaginta has Jehovah's name on the OT so since the apostals used the Septuaginta they must have used the name. Which is not necessary the case. They also claim that Jerome claim to seen the original book of Matthew in hebrew and therefore it must had the YHWH. However what they fail to mention is that Jerome didn't use that Matthew for his Vulgate translation and later in his life admits he was mistaken.
They contradic themselfs. Because they'll say that it was removed like a conspiracy, yet on some WT they'll say that because we have 5000 or so manuscripts of the NT that its the most reliable piece of work. So if it was removed without a trace, how can you trust it. And if God allowed that to happen it must mean is not that important to him.
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Interesting video "ex jw elders meeting"
by yourmomma inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi7az1ahhda&feature=mfu_in_order&list=ul.
this is a long series.
im finding more and more that jw's are so illequiped for debate, that they cant even make coherent arguments.
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Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart ini just want to know out of interest how many here still believe in god and christ and that the bible is god's word.
my faith in the wts is gone but i still love god and his son.
i've noticed that many here have lost their faith in god as well as the wts.
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Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart ini just want to know out of interest how many here still believe in god and christ and that the bible is god's word.
my faith in the wts is gone but i still love god and his son.
i've noticed that many here have lost their faith in god as well as the wts.
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atrapado
poopsiecakes I am not going to denied am bias towards a God and the Bible and if there is one small straw that I can hold to I will. I have seen evidence on both sides of the story. Like insonsistancies in chronology for example Jesus Matthew vs Luke or how OT God does somethings that I cannot fully convince everyone as to why God did it etc. There are explanations for most of those issues. When you look at the explanations it might satisfy you it might not. Just because I agree with something doesn't mean I expect others to agree with it nor does it make it right.
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Does anybody still believe in God and the Bible?
by tornapart ini just want to know out of interest how many here still believe in god and christ and that the bible is god's word.
my faith in the wts is gone but i still love god and his son.
i've noticed that many here have lost their faith in god as well as the wts.
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