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  "My Child is Dead"

  by Lee Elder in

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  this morning we published a very moving story written by a jehovah's witness whose 15-year-old son died supporting the watchtower's society blood policy.

  to the best of my knowledge, this is the first time a jw parent has gathered up the courage to face down this monstrous policy after losing their child.

  this is a very special person indeed and when we finally gather enough of these folks together and set them in front of the right attorney, the wts will be in for some serious litigation.. at present mary is in the midst of divorce from her jw husband and nailing down a custody agreement, so the identity of her and her son must remain anonymous.

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  Lee, I applaud the over-all concept of gathering parents who have lost children to this policy in an effort to sue the Society. But I also appreciate Hawk's comments that in this particular instance, based on the information provided it seems that it might be a difficult argument in court.

  If both parents willingly bought into the WT's argument against blood transfusions at the time the accident happened and the child also specifically stated he wanted no blood of his own volition the WT will obviously argue that this was the choice of all of these persons and that it was rightly respected.

  As Hawk brought out, just how much not having these blood transfusions played a part in this individual's death is also important.

  Lawsuits seem much more suited to cases such as with the shunned father in Calgary where one parent is in disagreement with the policy and blood is recognized to be the absolutely essential ingredient to a person's survival.

  I don't want to seem insensitive to this parent's loss which is absolutely tragic, but perhaps more information will be forthcoming at a future date which will make more sense of a lawsuit in this particular case. Since the mother at the time of the accident seemed to support the Society's policy (or at least gave tacit approval by silence) on what basis would she sue?

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  Letter from society on donating blood

  by TheStar in

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  as i promised in this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29619&site=3&page=1.

  here are the scans of a letter from "the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses" regarding a brother's inquiry about donating blood.

  this letter is printed in greg stafford's new book "three dissertations on the teachings of jehovah's witnesses".. the scans are not that great but it was the best i could do.. .

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  It is interesting to see the "some Christians have felt they could accept..." line with regard to blood fractions. They make it seem that if there are several who feel they can conscientiously do something that it must be okay if you feel similarly. But what if "some Christians" feel they can conscientiously accept whole blood?

  It almost is a "chicken/egg" scenario. What came first... the "some Christians that felt they could conscientiously accept blood fractions" or the "law" that came down from the GB that allowed them to do so? Who make up these "some Christians" and how many are needed to change a suggestion into a viable option for JWs?

  I find it difficult to understand their arguments against storing one's own blood for transfusion at a later date. If they use the "storage/blood being poured out on the ground" argument, then how do they justify ignoring that same argument with regard to the handling and storage involved collecting and processing blood into fractions?

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  Abstain from Blood? Verb Missing Here!

  by Englishman in

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  i've just spotted this on touchstone forum.

  it's well worth reading:.

  ".....for anyone else that might want to comment, i will elaborate a little on the issue of grammar.

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  The human body is composed not of one system but many. There is a huge difference for example, between taking water into your digestive system (your stomach) and taking water into your respiratory system. (your lungs) While the use of terms like introducing water into your system or "taking water into the body" could be used to describe either drinking or drowning, they are not equivalent acts in anything other than a superficial similarity. In a logical construction, you never use a generic term where a specific term will do. Grouping together or otherwise implying equivalency between two acts through the use of terms sufficiently generic to apply to both is equivocation.

  Similarly the difference between taking blood into your digestive system versus taking blood into your circulatory system is not a minor technicality that can be dismissed out of hand as irrelevant. It is the same difference between receiving a human kidney via transplant versus sitting down at the table and eating that kidney for dinner. You may not be willing to recognize the physical and moral distinctions between tissue transplant and cannibalism yourself, but I know that many of your fellow church members do.

  
  

  Although I'm not positive as to the basis for this statement, unless possibly it was the instructions given to Israel regarding the butchering of a wild animal for food, this is the exact same sort of generalization that will quickly get the claimant painted into a corner in this discussion. Remember that in discussing the consumption of blood versus the transfusion of blood, we are considering the use of blood as food versus the use of blood as blood

  Interesting comments. Thanks.

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  My daughter undergoing cancer surgery

  by TheOldHippie in

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  right now, 4 hours this very minute, removing tumors, still no news - and i am one nervous father ...........

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  Hang in there hippie... Hope it goes well.

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  News from Calgary

  by larc in

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  the trial to decide whether the father can continue to allow his ill jw daughter to have blood transfusions is in progress.

  four people are testifying in the father's defense.

  jim penton, sam muramoto, chris christonson, and greg stafford.

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  how's that for timing? lol My bad..

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  News from Calgary

  by larc in

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  the trial to decide whether the father can continue to allow his ill jw daughter to have blood transfusions is in progress.

  four people are testifying in the father's defense.

  jim penton, sam muramoto, chris christonson, and greg stafford.

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  Mimilly,

  Hawkaw seems to have a good measure of correspondence with "shunned father" and his lawyer. He will likely be checking into this thread sometime soon and perhaps could clarify the legal situation and whether it would be advisible for us to send some respectful emails to the law firm or whether it is advisible to hold off for the moment.

  There is little more embarrassing than laying into someone then realizing you didn't have all the facts (even if it is done in a *calm and respectful, yet firm * manner.) And several people doing this can irritate someone to the point that they realize they don't need this kind of grief.

  My suggestion would be just to wait until more information arrives so you can properly assess the situation and address the lawyer based on accurate facts and not suppositions. But we are a group of free people now and nothing can stop you from doing as you please.

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  News from Calgary

  by larc in

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  the trial to decide whether the father can continue to allow his ill jw daughter to have blood transfusions is in progress.

  four people are testifying in the father's defense.

  jim penton, sam muramoto, chris christonson, and greg stafford.

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  I agree with Simon that it might be too hasty to make assumptions regarding the lawyer representing Mr. Hughes. From what someone had posted earlier on the board it left the impression that he was in fact continuing to assist Mr. Hughes and had done substancial work at no cost. He seemed quite irritated at the implication that he was abandoning his client.

  I find the list of witnesses for the defence absolutely facinating (especially Greg Stafford). It would be nice to see the WT have to pay for Mr. Hughes legal costs and for the WT's blood policy and those who are propping it up to be exposed.

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  What's the deal with not needing Bethelites?

  by blacksheep in

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  as a disclaimer, i am an ex-jw (da'd) for about 15+ years, so i really haven't kept up on what's going on in bethel (come to think of it i wasn't really interested in it when i was a jw!

  recently, however, one of my relatives (current jw) commented that, although my nephew had applied to bethel (oh what a privilege!

  ), he was basically told he wasn't needed at this time because they aren't "mailing out the publications" there like they used to.

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  Good point TJ.

  Of course, if he was a doctor or a lawyer putting in 5 hours a month, he'd have all the right qualifications. What a bunch of hypocrites.

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  To Bethel Lurkers: Declare Victory!

  by metatron in

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  to all bethel monitors of this site:.

  please declare victory on your statistics and move on!.

  this year, there will be a huge (2-3%) increase in publishers reported in the.

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  I can't see the time counting going away any time soon. Sure, no one likes it, but it remains the single most compelling motivating and judging factor they have.

  Without it, everyone will claim they do "informal witnessing" but you will never see many out door to door again. Losing the time counting is the right thing to do, but it would be like shooting themselves in the foot.

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  Select a world leader

  by JanH in

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  let's say you are challenged to appoint a man who will become the supreme leader of the world.

  however, you have only these 3 candidates available: .

  candidate 1) he is known to cooperate with corrupt politicians, consults astrologers, has two mistresses, is a chain smoker and drinks around 10 glasses of martini a day.

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  Number 1 must be Stalin then.. I picked wrong..lol

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