Posts by Pathofthorns

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Its Time to get IRAQ

by Amazing in

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had the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.

there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.

yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.

Pathofthorns

Much of the world scratches their heads at Bush's "cowboy logic". America is already hated in much of the world and doing something like this will only worsen relations with their enemies as well as their friends. So much for pre-emtive strikes ensuring the world will be a better place for Americans.

I think Bush is playing the "terrorist victim" card and taking too many liberties using the 9/11 tragedy to take care of America's unfinished business. Nothing worse than using a tragedy to advance an agenda you already had before it happened.

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Its Time to get IRAQ

by Amazing in

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friends

had the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.

there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.

yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.

Pathofthorns

Things look like they are already starting to get a little hot over there... Just saw this on msnbc..

[url] http://www.msnbc.com/news/802167.asp[/url]

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Its Time to get IRAQ

by Amazing in

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friends

had the usa known in advance that the wtc was going to be attacked, we could and should have taken preemptive action.

there was some 'fuzzy' knowledge that this might happen, but not enough to know the day or hour.

yet, we still could have should have done more to prepare.. we could wait until saddam hussein completes his weapons program, and then nukes a few cities to decide we have enough evidence on hand to go after him.

Pathofthorns

You can't attack countries for what they *may* do. And you can't ignore the fact that there is simply no support for Bush's plans to invade Iraq anywhere in the world asside from Blair. With the Arab League proclaiming an attack on Iraq is an attack on all Arab nations, Bush is a complete idiot to keep talking as he has been.

While Sept 11 was unjustifiable, it would seem Bush hasn't learned anything from the past and is content to carry on speech that will only incite terrorism and will strain relations between countries that are already friends of America.

Bush must respect international laws and should be respecting the United Nations and the world community instead of acting unilaterally.

America had it's chance with Sadaam and blew it and they know it. There is no justifiable reason to attack Iraq at this point in time so America must invent one. The whole world can see the propaganda for what it is and so can alot of Americans.

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Edited by - Pathofthorns on 6 September 2002 9:10:40

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Has there been a policy change?

by Mulan in

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my mother told us last night that her po told her we are disassociated.

no announcement was made.

she is upset, and i told her i would call him.. at first she didn't want me to do that, but later changed her mind.. so, i left a message on his answering machine.he will call me.........he always returns my calls.

Pathofthorns

It is no secret that elders will often actively warn others to not associate with you when you have ceased involvement due to reasons of discontent with certain policies or practices within the organization.

Often these elders will make reference to "apostasy" in connection with your name and strongly discourage association with you.

The funny thing is, often you have enough friends within the organization that maintain a measure of loyalty to you as a friend and will pass on information to you if they have been cautioned by elders against association with you.

I personally find this offensive and unacceptable. While no one can force people to associate with them, elders who actively discourage association with you and lead JW associates to believe you are an apostate are deliberately damaging your character among your peers. If you are an apostate you should be disfellowshipped as an apostate. If you are not disfellowshipped for apostasy and they are not engaged in proceedings to that effect then they have no business stating or implying such to others. IMO they need to be called on this when they reduce themselves to such behavior.

Elders must maintain confidentiality when it comes to their flocks and should not be discussing reasons even for a judicial committee with anyone outside that committee. They certainly should be above gossip and slander. I would send a letter to the congregation and one to Brooklyn stating that you have witnesses to slanderous comments regarding you and that you will not continue tolerating this behavior if it continues.

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Leave that Gameboy at home when visiting Greece...

by Xander in

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that's right folks, all video and computer games are now banned in greece!

edited by - xander on 4 september 2002 10:53:53.

Pathofthorns

I don't really see a problem. If you really wanted to play videogames you could just leave the country or go elsewhere where they were permitted. You can't have illegal gambling and this is a perfectly reasonable way to stop it.

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Edited by - Pathofthorns on 4 September 2002 13:26:38

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Just Someone To Talk To

by Larryf01 in

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i've had a hard time finding a place just to chat with jw's.

i'm not baptized...only studying.

yet, i know this is truth and jehovah is the true god.

Pathofthorns

This is one of the saddest posts I've seen in a long time. The whole focus of being a JW is to "find sheep" and because they are so paranoid over "apostates" at the so called "loyal" sites they turn this guy away simply because he is not baptized. Ironically look at where he ends up.

Dude, you are certainly free to be here and to discuss what you want. Just keep an open mind and use your head and think and be prepared to explay WHY you "know" that this is the "truth". And take care of that depression and make sure you don't just isolate yourself. Those feelings of guilt and depression are going to get a whole lot worse once you become a jw. Better to ask the questions you want to now because the day is coming when you will no longer be able to.

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C.O. Reports: JWs/WTS "Reach Critical Mass...

by BitterTruth in

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jehovah's witnesses/wts have reached "critical mass" - says ex-circuit overseer.

------posting copied from h2o-----.

posted by xelder [seeker4] on july 13, 2000 at 12:00:52 {rn3hpwrs1eubi2tgjvegd9bhhxgwag}:.

Pathofthorns

Kangloo, do yourself a favour and pick up Ray Franz's books Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom. Spend some time doing some reading and reasearching and understanding your religion. There are some good websites around too.

When you understand where it came from and all of it's doctrines, then you will have a better understanding of where you are going and where you will end up.

Compare what you read with what is written in the Proclaimer's book. Get a hold of old WT's and verify what you read. I would spend some time privately reading and thinking. How you think about things will then change almost on a weekly basis the more you begin to understand. Try to avoid discussing these things with active JW's. They simply will not understand.

This is somewhat of a scary thing but if you are the sort of person that is truly interested in truth, you do what you have to do and are not afraid to do it.

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Theocratic Ministry School 2003

by LoyalLeon in

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some excerpts from the october 2002 our kingdom ministry insert regarding the new schedule for the tms:.

introductory remarks.

5min study point several paragraphs of one of the 53 studies in the new benefit from tms education (to be handled by the school overseer, his helper or perhaps another qualified elder).

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I also found it interesting that they will be reading from the WT and that the Bible reading has no commentary. It is also interesting that the comments from the school overseer will only be positive. I guess too many have resigned and refused to be part of the school, partially due to the sometimes harsh public counsel.

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JW Family. Urgent!!!

by Bendrr in

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re: conversation with [family member] herein referred to as "m".

not to be confused with another family member also referred to as "m".. report: .

during phone conversation with m, m expressed concern that we may be having too much contact in view of my df'd status.

Pathofthorns

There are many who ask for "evidence" of the whole UN affair. Unfortunately, in most cases you provide the evidence and they go to plan B, which is "I still am loyal to the organization", "so they made a mistake and are no longer associated with the UN", "where else are we going to go?" etc.

I guess it is a good start. Maybe they it will get them to look further into things, but I wouldn't get your hopes too high. Sorry to be somewhat pessimistic, but things tend to play themselves out in the same familiar fashion over and over again.

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Apostates=people who want to get revenge against

by teenyuck in

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i got this e-mail from my mother.

i sent her coc and many, many docs documenting all the false prophocies.

she does not want any part of the real "truth.

Pathofthorns

Maybe now is not the time to keep hitting your mom hard with "information". She seems to indicate at the end that she lets you do what you want with your life so you should let her do the same. While you might not agree with her and it is difficult to watch her waste her life in this religion, sometimes you have no other option but to let her choose to do so.

You got a "love MOM" at the end which is more than many of us would get. My suggestion would be to NOT discuss these issues further as she is well aware of your position. The best thing for you imo is to get on with living a happy life. Eventually i think most people realize things are not all cracked up to be what they hoped and if and when she is ready she will talk with u about these things.

In the meantime, if they are convinced the Koolaid tastes good you cannot convince them otherwise and might make matters worse if you push things. Sometimes it is good to go the "we agree to disagree" route but keep the mother-daughter thing going.

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