am i the only person ever to fall under the influence of the borg who can count?.
no offence all but jws meet three times per week.not five!
i consider the familiar statement about 5 meetings per week to be a good indication of just how indoctrinated a person is.
Hi Saw,
Nice to have you here.
IMO, it seems WTBS likes to have the five meetings correlate with five digits on each hand and then fit it to the scripture that says 'keep a tight grip on the word of life.' You know, holding on to the Bible with all five digits?
Pat
if you remember, i've been inquiring about how to discuss jw issues with my boyfriend's sister.
it appears she is accepting the watchtower driven interpretations of the bible, but we are still not giving up.
if you are willing, would you respond, in a nutshell, to the question, "what is the doctrine or belief that the jw's hold that was most instrumental in leading you to abandon this religion?
Hi Kathy,
Thanks for the question. It's always pleasant to iterate the start of my quest for 'truth.'
For me, it was oddly enough, watching the Disney movie 'Dinasour.' It never seemed as tho they fit in with the Bible's explanations of Adam's sin being the reason for the violence in nature. Dinasours predated humans, according to the WTBS and probably every other scientific source.
Then, it was Gen. 1:30 that states all living creatures eat green vegetation. That was not true (dinasours especially).
That pulled out the 'card,' the the rest of the house of cards came tumbling down.
Why it took 28 years I'm still trying to figure out.
Pat
i am new here trying to figure my way around...... i would appreciate it if you could say which of these fits you..... 1. still a jw.
2. if you dont agree with the jw doctrines any longer do you belong to another religious organization now?
3. are still religious and have no religious affiliation.
Hi Zazu,
What does being a 'gnostic' include?
Pat
please, i am asking that only those who responded to my first poll about the numebr of molesters they know, to respond to this poll.
this way i can make sense between the two polls.. please also, as you did before, avoid comments until i post the results.
here are tow qeustions and how i answer them to kick this poll off to a start:.
One molester, only one victim known.
10 congregations
i have been having some pretty irrational thoughts lately.. its only been 3 months since we decided it is not the "truth".
but sometimes i think we (my family) would have been better off if we had stayed inactive witnesses.
the strain affects the whole family.. sometimes it feels like my whole world has fallen apart.
Hi Ladybug,
Thanks for sharing on this db wih us. I left, escaped, ran out, in March of this year.
I certainly understand how a lot of people feel with a complete turnaround in their lives. Talk about an identity crisis! I was a jw for 28 years.
However, just to tell you my feelings on this, they have been the opposite. Everytime a I think 'i'm not a jw anymore' I get a little thrill of joy. I so appreciate the freedom to think for myself, pursue new information, and LIKE 'worldly' people.
Granted, it's taking some time to make friends, but it's a wonderful journey. I often think on 'meeting' nites how wonderful it is not to drag myself out to somewhere I didn't want to go.
Plus, on Sunday mornings, you'll find me at the beach with my grandkids.
For me, it's been such a positive experience.
Not that i'm disagreeing with you or saying you should feel this way. It's just letting you know how I feel.
All the best,
Pat
1. intentionally twist any scripture to have less or more than it's intended meaning.. 2) ignore dispensational exgesis and time tested methods of interpretation in favor of jw style single scripture exgesis.. 3) pretend that you are above everyone else in intelligence and knowledge.. 4) pretend that your every statement is factual and there is no room for disagreement.. 5) intimidate your opponent by slander and insult.. 6) use various 'logical' terms to make yourself sound well...logical!.
7) use 'straw man' arguments and generalization to gain an edge from the beginning of the debate.. 8) pretend that science is clearly on your side and that no 'reputable scientist' would disagree with your claims.. 9) have your various allies and followers 'chime in' by attacking your opponent while you work on your response.. 10) above all, pretend that god doesn't exist and that there is no evidence beyond the physical.
make it sound reasonable to believe that all life came from nothing and totally by accident.. rex
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the info and the site. It's a neat site I've bookmarked.
Pat
i am new here trying to figure my way around...... i would appreciate it if you could say which of these fits you..... 1. still a jw.
2. if you dont agree with the jw doctrines any longer do you belong to another religious organization now?
3. are still religious and have no religious affiliation.
CNN, as another poster mentioned, we'd be interesed in your views.
I am still undecided. Probably, if pressed, would be a 4-5.
Pat
1. intentionally twist any scripture to have less or more than it's intended meaning.. 2) ignore dispensational exgesis and time tested methods of interpretation in favor of jw style single scripture exgesis.. 3) pretend that you are above everyone else in intelligence and knowledge.. 4) pretend that your every statement is factual and there is no room for disagreement.. 5) intimidate your opponent by slander and insult.. 6) use various 'logical' terms to make yourself sound well...logical!.
7) use 'straw man' arguments and generalization to gain an edge from the beginning of the debate.. 8) pretend that science is clearly on your side and that no 'reputable scientist' would disagree with your claims.. 9) have your various allies and followers 'chime in' by attacking your opponent while you work on your response.. 10) above all, pretend that god doesn't exist and that there is no evidence beyond the physical.
make it sound reasonable to believe that all life came from nothing and totally by accident.. rex
Alan,
Will you please provide the reference for the Bible teaching that the sun and stars revolve around the earth. Is it where Joshua prayed for the sun to stand still?
Thanks.
Pat
the question, "why are you here?
" is simple enough, and your answer may be straightforward.
however, when i asked that of myself, i find that my answer is pretty complicated.
Hi Larc,
I just read your comment on a thread by Cool Breeze re stopping the racism on this board. You stated that you think about leaving because it's not a positive experience.
I agree, but I've been trying to follow your advice from a month or so ago on another thread about viewing it as a large cineplex where there may be many movies showing (the threads), but only selecting the ones that you are interested in. It works for the most part. Thanks.
I, for one, want to tell you that I never miss one of your threads. It would be a poor "movie house" indeed if posters like you, Amazing, JanG, Norm, JanH, Truman, AlanF, Waiting, Ginny Tosken et al left.
Pat
given a comment on my brci sound bites, yet another, though now deceased, gb member also stated that the organization's teachings are a farce or fraud.
also, ray franz publications have throughly documented his views from the time he was on the gb and afterwards, as to what he thinks.
it seems that ray also mentioned in crisis of conscience that some of the gb felt that their 1914 doctrine was in serious error while he was there.
Hi Amazing,
Just a little thank-you for all the interesting posts you put on this board. You are one of the ones responsible for my visiting this board regularly. Keep it up!
Pat
