Posts by patio34

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Blood, DPA Question ... how do you void?

by karen7680 in

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since leaving the organization, i never gave any thought to the blood issue or the dpa (durable healthcare power of attorney)that i signed 3 or 4 years ago.

now that i have surgery scheduled in 3 and a half months ... one in which the surgeons will have a high degree of bleeding to control, it has been on my mind a lot.. it got me to thinking about how my dpa is technically still in effect and my jw mother and my elder brother-in-law have medical say if i am not able to express my wishes.

my question is ... how do you officially void a dpa?

patio34

Excellent question that I've had too. But it semms clear that a new DPA would negate any previously dated ones.

Did you know the sneaky 'priestcraft' WTS has a clause in their DPA that it CANNOT BE OVERRIDDEN ORALLY? You cannot change it once you're in the hospital. That's unconscionable.

Thanks for the reminder. I'll be filling out a new one this month.

I DID check at the hospital where I had my surgery and my religion was already listed as unknown and no flag was in my file that I was a JW. So much for effieciency, huh? But that's a good thing.

Thanks for the reminder!

Pat

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The Rainbow Myth

by Ranchette in

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we've all heard the bibles' explanation of how the rainbow first appeared.

now i not an expert in science but i believe rainbows have occured every since since light and moisture in the air have existed.. that would be way before the alledged global flood.. my dictionary describes a rainbow asan arch of prismatic colors found in the sky oposite the sun and caused by refraction, reflection and dispersion of light in raindrops.. my dictionary describes rain this way the condensed vapor.

of the atmosphere falling in drops.. here's watchtowers definition of rain from the insite book page 728,. a vital part of the cycle by which water that rises into the atmosphereb as vapor from land and water surface of the globe and falls to the ground.....at an early point in the history of the preparation of the earth "god had not made it rain upon the earth "but" a mist would go up from the earth and it watered the entire surface of the ground.gen2:5,6;1:9-13. hmm,sounds like rain to me.. [b]ranchette

patio34

Ranchette, very interesting discussion. AlanF, as usual, your erudite posts are enlightening.

Waiting, very good ideas from 'memory lane' on the WTS reasoning.

One thing that's not clear from WTS is the 'blanket' of water used for the flood waters. I had heard that it stopped direct sunlight; but conversely, that it acted as a prism directing light in many directions; thus Siberia had palm trees.

Now, imo there had to be some direct rays of the sun in order for vegetation to grow. Many, many plants need direct sun for survival.

Therefore, there had to be rainbows before. As AlanF stated tho, the Bible doesn't explicitly say there had been no rainbows previously.

Pat

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Imperfect? How's That?

by patio34 in

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it's common to see "we're all imperfect humans" or the like.

my question is who says?

aside from the bible and religious teachings, that statement is untrue.

patio34

Hi all,

Ranchette, so true that it's a religious concept: that of imperfection, riddled with all the inherencies of biblical 'truths.'

Introspection, imperfection in a not-religious context makes perfect sense. Of course, we don't do things perfectly every time. That doesn't prove anything about the Bible's assertion of imperfection.

Ballistic, it's true that what are considered genetic 'imperfections' are what really fuel evolution. Every once in a great while, a mutation is beneficial. Hence, progression of the species.

Nathan, it's so true that the idea of 'imperfection' carries with it burdens of guilt. Who's to say what are and what's not (ie, sin). The priests/clergy/elders who empower themselves over everyone else. I love your quote from Voltaire. It's true that the kings and priests have been tyrants over people for eons.

Teejay, that's absolutely true. Just because there is always room for improvement doesn't prove the doctrine of imperfection religiously.

Pat :-)

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Imperfect? How's That?

by patio34 in

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it's common to see "we're all imperfect humans" or the like.

my question is who says?

aside from the bible and religious teachings, that statement is untrue.

patio34

Hi all,

It's common to see "we're all imperfect humans" or the like. My question is who says? Aside from the Bible and religious teachings, that statement is untrue.

If one is an atheist, we are all as perfect as can be on this planet earth and in the present stage of evolution. Evolution does not care about 'perfection,' only survival.

So, I don't think that statement about imperfection should be applied outside of a religious context. Speak for yourself.

Rebuttals?

Pat

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Can I share a great experience with you all?

by jonjonsimons in

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just wanted to pass along a recent experience that has helped open my eyes about many things.

i wasn't going to share this with the db but with all of the crap going on around here lately i thought it might be nice to post something that i found to be uplifting.

a few of you that i exchange emails with already know that my leukemia came out of remission recently.

patio34

JonJon,

So sorry about your health. It's a bear isn't it? I wish you good luck and comfort during your treatments.

Pat

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I'm Confessing All! Or Maybe Not.........

by Englishman in

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do you think that confessing to misdeeds is a good thing?.

when i was a jw, i was brought up to believe that confession + genuine repentance = forgiveness.

now im not so sure that forgiveness is whats always needed.

patio34

Eman,

That was a very interesting post! The
'useful remorse' concept is very helpful. A completely different spin than the usual biblical, churchy explanation. Thanks!

Pat

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The Tomorrow Trap

by ozziepost in

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a us columnist writes of encountering hundreds of people who, she says, "essentially live for the future, taking refuge in visions of a relaxed, rewarding personal and family life somewhere down the road".

she calls this "the tomorrow trap" - a kind of mirage that people chase while in reality they are burying themselves in work and other pursuits".

( sue shellenbarger, "work & family", the wall street journal.

patio34

Thanks Ozzie for that stroll down memory lane. I used to feel resentful that the schools gave so much homework, there was no time for . . . MEETINGS! I had it backwards, for sure.

Pat

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Siestas--New Light!

by patio34 in

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here's a funny parody i ran across by s. mcroberts on his website (address at bottom):.

the truth in action .

(a gentle parody in one act)by steve mcroberts.

patio34

Hi Lisa and Waiting,

I think Neon catches on right quick! And, Waiting, that's a good point about the WTS not using that scripture about judging for yourselves. I may keep that in mind for use when the dubs come a-calling.

Pat

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