Posts by flamegrilled

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An important message from a PRACTICING Jehovah's witness

by Sparks in

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friends

hi, i am also a practicing jehovah's witness and very proud of it,to say the very-very least..!

i am a middle-aged man with many decades of being a witness of jehovah god in england.. this important letter is personally to you, just as many of the bible's 88 letters are to be taken personal by you the reader.

i am writing to you to urge you to take stock of your life, think what your future holds for you.

flamegrilled

sparks

I'm just wondering how you can write this stuff after posting at one time ...

"but not before I metaphorically shit on the Ciruit Overseers carpet infront of the gang of six arse-lickers around him" (http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/70376/1/oh-my-God-what-have-I-done-Tomb-Raider-Horror-stuff)

You say you are a "middle-aged" man, but the above looks like it would have been written by a vitriolic 15 year old, and that was 10 years ago.

Weird.

Your attempt to now support the org is unbalanced and inaccurate on many counts. It seems you have invested yourself into much propaganda over the past few years.

But I suspect they would be just as happy not to have you playing the apologist for them in view of your prior posts. No doubt any actual JW would consider that you are doing more harm than good.

FG

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What's the greatest movie no-one's ever heard of?

by rory-ks in

you know, that film you really love, but when you mention it everyone's, like, "eh?".

i'll get the ball rolling.

for me: ulee's gold..

flamegrilled

Off the Map (2003 movie NOT 2011 movie of same name)

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Angels and Women - A review

by LivingTheDream in

i first found and read this book as a young man during the early 1980s while visiting the bethel library.

this library was located at the world headquarters of jehovah's witnesses in brooklyn new york.

this book exists in its form now because of the interest that religion's leaders had in the original work seola, from where this book was adapted.

flamegrilled

As a book it's a probably only a compelling read to those who have some interest in the Biblical account of the flood.

As far as it really being of demonic origin I don't think it is such, at least not any more so than any other book.

I bought your book and enjoyed it by the way. I hope it's doing well for you. I know it's a lot of work and takes a lot of dedication to write a book.

FG

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My Judicial Meeting was 6 WEEKS ago! Help me with a question.

by Comatose in

my judicial meeting was 6 weeks or more ago, and still no action.

i used a lawyer and a letter to them after i had already met with them and admitted everything.

the crazy part was they didn't tell me that night if i was df or not.

flamegrilled

I guess it still depends on your circumstances and the facts of the case. All other things being equal then probably the hiring of a lawyer will not go in your favor from their point of view, as others have already commented.

But ultimately the elders may have simply not have found grounds for DF. It's hard to know without knowing more about it.

I'm sure we're all interested in the possible legal loophole and how this progresses for you.

On a personal level, I wish you all the best with the outcome insofar as keeping unity with your family.

FG

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My Explanation of Why They Got it Wrong About Blood Using Only the NWT

by cofty in

10 " any israelite or any alien living among them who eats any bloodi will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from his people.

12 therefore i say to the israelites, "none of you may eat blood, nor may an alien living among you eat blood.

15 'anyone, whether native-born or alien, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then he will be clean.

flamegrilled

OP....I'd love to consider your point. But when you say that your argument caused an elder to immediately resign and never attend another meeting....you immediately lost me. Makes me think you're a bit delusional. XstuckX

I wouldn't so quickly dismiss the power of this (and other) arguments on the blood doctrine to move elders to resign. It's one of those topics that is very personal to some people for obvious reasons. Unlike 1914 which some can just move into the category of "I'll pretend it doesn't matter for now", that is not the case when the blood doctrine is clearly exposed to be unscriptural. The finer point of the law that Cofty uses are incontrovertible in making the necessary point, and yet they are dealt with in such an illogical way in official JW doctrine.

As an extension of Cofty's points it is good to be familiar with the ways that the Jews interpret their own law of Moses under the principle of "Pikuach Nefesh". The principles are completely in harmony with the Mosaic Law and yet clearly demonstrate the boundaries at which the treatment of blood itself becomes secondary to the preservation of life. And it's all based on scripture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pikuach_nefesh

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

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The Pastor of my Old Church Tried to Re-Convert Me Yesterday

by cofty in

yesterday evening my wife and i were invited to friends house for new year's eve.

we met them when i was a christian and we have kept in touch.

they had a few other friends there as well, including the new church pastor and his wife.

flamegrilled

Cofty

After all your vitriolic protestations against the idea that we might not know everything, and that some of what we might not know might have a bearing on the subject under discussion, you recently posted on your other thread:

Living with unanswered questions is human. What we ought to avoid is pretending to know things we can't know.

If our belief is commensurate with the evidence and beyond that we can say, "I don't know" we are being reasonable.

Cofty

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I know why you are here.

by compound complex in

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friends

greetings, friends:.

wishing you well today.

below is a story that came to mind as i lay awake, contemplating the new day.

flamegrilled

CoCo

Your words are always so refereshing. It is an unlikely forum for someone to so frequently inject such moments of grace. And yet you keep them coming. Please never stop posting your elegant words.

I miss Leolaia very much for her tremendous clarity and depth of research. If you were ever to go, I would very much miss you for your genuinely heartfelt feeling and awesome style.

FG

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If You Got a Call or Visit From The Elders How Would You Deal With Them?

by minimus in

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friends

just curious..

flamegrilled

It depends on several variables:

1) your status in the congregation and personal circumstances.

2) the supposed purpose of the visit.

3) the "modus operandi" of the local elder body.

4) what you want the outcome to be.

There may be more, but that was a quick off the top of my head list.

All other things being equal, mainly just be polite and say nothing of consequence.

However if they are good God-fearing men, and you have a situation they might be able to help with, then don't dismiss the possibility that they might be able to do just that. But, as with most things in life, proceed with caution.

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Marriage Consummation - emailed question has me stumped

by jwfacts in

i received an email from a jw that got married, but the wife never had sex with him.

they were together for a period of years.

he told the elders, but they said there was nothing that could be done.

flamegrilled

It's a tricky one. Elders, CO's and service desks have an aversion to this scenario, understandably.

The signing of the papers seals the marriage. There is no way around that. As far as then breaking it for non-con, I have seen situations where the elders breath a sigh of relief if the "performing" spouse just gets it over with with someone else. They may or may not be DF'ed depending on how big of a performance they put on in the JC. A performance is good because then the "annulment" can take place without anyone getting DF'ed. Everyone's a winner! The elders end up feeling justified in doing what they "naturally feel is right" even though the Bible doesn't really make allowance for it in relation to 21st century law.